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Caledonia- long range play style??

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by FriarTuck, Aug 3, 2020.

  1. FriarTuck

    FriarTuck New Member

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    Hello, I’ve never played Caledonia and no one in my playgroup has either so I’m posting on here for some assistance.

    Im trying to get my twin into Infinity and the rule of cool has him interested in Caledonia which I’m 100% supportive of. The play style he prefers, for any game, is a ranged, defensive, hit and run style. Could Caledonia fulfill this play style? If so, what does it look like from a tactics and purchase standpoint?

    I appreciate the help!
     
  2. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    I'm probably not being helpful here, but I'd say I'm not sure what even counts as "run" in "hit and run" when it comes to Infinity seeing how almost all missions boil down to "kill stuff in front of you, get in, sit on objectives" in different proportions.
     
  3. LZ35SRX

    LZ35SRX Well-Known Member

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    So, not to burst anybody's bubble, but I would advise against starting Infinity with Caledonia - I've had a guy with the same idea in my community and it did not end well. He played like 3-6 games, and then sold the minis.

    If your twin really likes kilts and bagpipes - he should start with vanilla Ariadna. He still can grab almost all CHA minis, even if in smaller amounts, the only profile that is missing is McMurder (and yeah, he's pretty strong but not indispensable), and still can get a playable list by grabbing good stuff from other sectorials.
     
  4. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    Hello!
    Not sure, what You mean by hit-and-run tactics, but I believe, You can't go wrong with McMurrough...
    For ranged combat I recommend taking a look at T2 Highlander Caterans and Missile Launcher Scots Guard with CH: camouflage. Those guys are relatively cheap and sport devastating firepower. (You can take 3 Cats and 2 Scots for 6 SWC... They will shoot the Hell out of the opponent...)
    I hope, this helps.
    R
    PS Almost forgot: CRAP SAS (that is short for chain rifle + assault pistol) comes with grenades stock.
     
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  5. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    What? Vanilla Ariadna only use 1 or 2 scot models.

    I advise choose a faction that you like by fluff or visually, not by playstyle or "the most OP of the moment". But you have to be ready to lose many MANY games.

    BTW: CHA have nice long range units, but are low burst or need a fireteam to support them. Caledonia moves better in the medium-close range. And rely very much on the CC, smoke and DTW. Is not the easiest sectorial to start with (beside i do exactly that), but is ok. You can poke the hyperpowers with your sword and annoy them even if the end winning the game
     
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  6. LZ35SRX

    LZ35SRX Well-Known Member

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    Turning your words back at you - you don't HAVE to play 'the most optimised effectivest list ever'. You can pick more than 1-2 Caledonian troopers if you like them, even in Vanilla.

    However, with Vanilla it's much easier to get other tools that will help the new player to learn the game and be effective, unlike CHA, which has a very high skill floor, and honestly not that high of a ceiling.
     
  7. Commoner1

    Commoner1 Well-Known Member

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    CHA works perfectly fine as a long range faction:

    Caterans
    AP HMG Greys
    Missile Launcher/Molotok Scot Guards

    Is it perfect? Nope. Is it good enough as a start into Infinity? Absolutely.
     
  8. FriarTuck

    FriarTuck New Member

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    I appreciate the help you all have given so far.

    When I say hit & run what I am meaning is that he generally prefers, in any game, to play defensively and hit something and then move to cover and not be out in the open very long making it difficult for him to be defeated or take wounds. I know that smoke would help with this. I'm just very unfamiliar with CHA/Ariadna.
     
  9. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    I mean, that playstyle pretty much describes most of Infinity, stick to cover, don't expose your troops unless they're expendable, don't overextend yourself.

    Caledonia have a degree of that, they have a number of decent Camo troopers like the Scots Guard and SAS, adn a powerful (cheap) mixed link with the Grey APHMG in a Volunteer Fireteam, but they also have some of the most aggressive close quarter (and disposable) troopers like the Galwegians and Cameronians/McMurrough. They're also low on the beefcake side with most of their multi-wound troopers being unable to take cover, relying on numbers for staying power over armour and wounds.
     
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  10. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    Now, I have a little time.
    I would start with 3 T2 Caterans, 2 ML Scots Guards, 4 CRAP SAS, Wallace and 4 Galwegians:
    Backbone
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]3
    CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 24)
    CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 24)
    CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 24)
    SCOT (2nd Battalion) CH: Camouflage Missile Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 31)
    SCOT (2nd Battalion) CH: Camouflage Missile Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 31)
    S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 22)
    S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 22)
    S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 22)
    S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 22)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]1 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]4
    WALLACE Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 35)
    HIGHLANDER Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 6)
    HIGHLANDER Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 6)
    HIGHLANDER Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 6)
    HIGHLANDER Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 6)
    6 SWC | 281 Points
    Open in Infinity Army
    That leaves 19 points to play around.
     
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  11. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    Moneywise not too much to purchase:
    1 Wallace blister,
    1 Galwegians box
    1 (maybe two) SAS dual blister,
    1 (maybe two, or some stand-in) ML Scots Guard
    1 Cataran (and two stand-ins, for example Foxtrot sniper and Scout sniper - just paint them up)
    You will use a ton of camo markers.
    And the 19 points guy(s) for example a Warcor and a 112.
     
  12. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    Playwise you field the snipers (Cats and ML Scots) in the backfield, the SAS in the midfield. If someone is open, the snipers will take them out. If you are free to roam the filed, SAS will go hunting. Wallace is your obvious Lt, but them four escort ladies and gentlemen will take care of anybody trying to assasinate him. You can send them upfields hunting.
    The remaining 19 points to spend depends on the mission. As a rule of thumb I would take a Warcor (thanks to Wallace he's regular) and a 112 and upgrade two of the SAS for FOs. (Three specialists are not too much, though...) Take a Warcor and a Mk12 Wulver for killy missions. (I have a soft spot for the Mk12 Wulver. That guy is best for rookies, will learn a TON playing that guy...)
    I hope this helps.
     
  13. McKaptain

    McKaptain Well-Known Member

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    The play style you are describing is exactly how I played my USARF. A good defensive core link with snipers and several foxtrot and hardcase camo tokens around midfield. I also used a Marauder Haris with Rosie

    The sniper core link and camo tokens made it difficult for opponents to work forward. Then Marauders/Bikes/Van Zant/Airborne Rangers are all great tools to counterattack. They can then fall back and go into suppressive fire and be rea pains to dig out.

    Even a Foxtrot with his basic rifle in cover and suppression gives a -9 to hit.

    Unless your twin really likes the Scots, I’d consider looking at USARF for that play style.

    Also, consider that it is believed that Caledonians will be the next army that will go out of production (still legal use but models will no longer be sold). It is speculated that it will be next summer. So if he does choose Caledonians, I wouldn’t waste time picking up the models.
     
  14. Kreslack

    Kreslack Unknown Ranger lead the way!

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    Or get them while you still can ;)
     
  15. McKaptain

    McKaptain Well-Known Member

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    You should have seen me panic buy the ENTIRE MRRF overnight.
     
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  16. Kreslack

    Kreslack Unknown Ranger lead the way!

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    I grabbed what i could while i could. Really wanted those loup garous. Really looking forward to seeing them updated. Looking at the updated Chassuer. I think CB's current quality could do some beautiful things with some of the french dossiers they have. I always felt the Briscard models didnt look close to as nice as their concept art.

    Scots at least have mostly been updated to thd current standard. So the models will all look pretty good and hold up well against the rest of thd range. Perhaps we'll get a parting model with them. I would vote for the Cateran.
     
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  17. holycannoli

    holycannoli Dancing to Kazak Kalinka

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    My friend picked up CHA, and you're going to hear this a lot but T2 Highlander Caterans.

    Those guys are freaking nasty defensive pieces, and they rarely failed to earn their points back in things they kill. Other than that, their HI can be shockingly tough to get rid of, good to stick in a flank and hold back the tide of aggressive pieces. They're not quite the game's equivalent to orks play style wise.
     
  18. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    well, with the arrival of Kosmofleet, probably highlanders will go OoP. So if your friend want them, hurry up
     
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  19. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Not MMRF? Or are they cutting down support to 3 sectorials?

    A shame if they dump Caledonians. While they are cheesy as hell, they are on the more unique side of playable armies.
     
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  20. Knauf

    Knauf Transhumanist

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    Well, we have a new Uxia coming with Defiance, so there is still hope. Then again, I could totally see her integrated into Kosmovlot.
     
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