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Hey Corvus, take a look at this for better ariadna guns

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by MATRAKA14, Jun 6, 2020.

  1. MATRAKA14

    MATRAKA14 Well-Known Member

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  2. Mahalah

    Mahalah New Member

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    Those back-curve pano magazines have always bothered the hell out of me.
     
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  3. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Blue = projectiles
    Red = liquid propellant reservoir and battery.

    The rearward curve means the magazine will not snag like a traditional one.
     
  4. stevenart74

    stevenart74 Well-Known Member

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    I believe that the "Reverse Banana" Clips of the Panoceanian Guns where YET of the "Liquid-Metal Ammunition" kind, shaped by a Small "Electromagnetical Field" and propelled by a "Raingun Barrell with Serie of Massdriver Rings" kind. . .

    Surely that was the case when, Years ago, people complained with Corvus Belli Artist Developers about the weirdness of the "Bottle Clips" of some Yujing Made weapons (I believe was the Yuijngese Spitifire the root cause). . .

    Same was said for Nomads Rifles (especially the OLD "Alraune Combirifle" with the "Bullpup-No-Stock" shape; now moot point as MANY Nomad Guns are far more realistically shaped). . .
     
  5. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    So the projectile is behind the propellant? Still makes zero sense.
     
  6. MATRAKA14

    MATRAKA14 Well-Known Member

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    Let me be clear, this thread is in the ariadna sub forum and has ariadna in the title.

    This tips are ment to help artists make guns that look at least ok if they use conventional amunition.

    Some ariadna miniatures have had several issues that could be easily fixed for upcoming releases with this kind of tips.

    In the other hand, sci-fi guns are beyond our current knowledge and look impossible for us, that's part of the point. Additionally, ergonomics are always king.
     
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  7. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    That’s a pretty nice breakdown / reference for various modern firearms. Unfortunately, artists are not always experienced with the specific details of everything they are drawing/sculpting/etc, and mistakes or weird designs happen. It’s the same thing as how computers work in movies vs real life, or a million other examples.
     
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  8. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    No, the blue is at the front of the magazine (the barrel of the gun was to the left of the picture before I cropped it).
     
  9. MATRAKA14

    MATRAKA14 Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG]
    Other small tip for miniatures in a resting pose
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    and...
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    Additionally, if warhammer 40k miniatures have it I don't see why Ariadna guns can't have a square where the bullet cases are supposed to get out of the gun. The shotgun has it and it looks really nice.

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    Those are small details that add up and make for better miniatures with extra eye candy.
    Special mention to the new dozer miniature, it's a fantastic sculpt, and has the ariadna rifle with the best proportions of the entire range. Even the stock has a decent size, other miniatures tend to deform it a lot.

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  10. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Actually, even though other factions' guns use caseless ammo, I think it would make sense ot have an ejection port on them, too. Even caseless / liquid propellant ammo can fail to feed or fail to fire, and you'll be in need of getting rid of the faulty / deformed / otherwise bad piece of ammunition to continue using your gun.

    I mean, H&K G11 (the only practical caseless automatic rifle I've seen disassembled and discussed in detail) had such a port, though with a non-obvious location and mode of operating it.
     
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    Kreslack Unknown Ranger lead the way!

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    The female line kazak seemed like such a huge step forward gun wise. She was one of the few CB female models that had a gun the same size as the guys. The Tank Hunter in that kit did as well.

    Then they seemed to have immediately forgotten this and went right back to petite little guns for the girls.

    Apart from the heavy pistol, the new Kazak Spec Ops gun options were all back to being way too undersized.

    I really hope they'll get this under control this year
     
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  12. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    FTFY
     
  13. MATRAKA14

    MATRAKA14 Well-Known Member

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    Not specifically related but here are some guns and gear for visual reference.

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  14. chromedog

    chromedog Less than significant minion

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    That's because otherwise, with a dud round, you have to strip the weapon to clear it. With an eject port, you can just dump the dud, reload and continue.
    The G-11's major flaw, though, was the rotating bolt feed mechanism (the ammo for the G-11 was stored vertically). The one that rotated each round 90* to feed into the weapon. WHEN it stuffed up, your rifle became a paperweight. And it did this quite often because of the pernicious nature of the ammunition.
    (This is why the P-90 has the feed lips on the magazine designed to rotate the rounds to feed instead. They learned from that issue.).
     
  15. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Araidna is certainly home to the worst gun crimes but the Kanren hacker proves no faction is safe.

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  16. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    Oh shit. How did I never notice that previously? I saw the mowing thumb high grip on the wrong hand in the render, but I have her and still didn’t know.
     
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  17. MATRAKA14

    MATRAKA14 Well-Known Member

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    It seams like a resting pose I guess, a bit strange but okeyish.
     
  18. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    She's a kneeling model IIRC that does something fucky with the scale of the model. The combi looks like it's physically too big for her that's why they've had to push it forwards to the right side.
     
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  19. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    The thumbhole has been goatse stretched to the point that she can fit her whole hand in, and she is, resting her hand over the magzine like she is going to try and grip the thumbhole, but can't because ironically, it hasn't got a thumbhole.
     
  20. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I think it looks like that because the combi is scaled up massively because she's crouching and crouching models tend to be giants because of issues they have, it's a 3D asset so the gun model's ratio shouldn't have changed.
     
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