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The lonely Shang Ji

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Space Ranger, Apr 24, 2019.

  1. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Given our general lack of doctors, particularly linking ones, making it a free action means there's really no downside for Yu Jing.
     
  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I doubt it will. Now, if that one was LT-capable...
     
  3. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    Not dying on a failed roll anymore would have been a change I was hoping for.

    I mean.... you can just lie around bleeding out for 3 turns no problem.
    Yet someone knowing what they're doing has a decent chance to make it worse?

    Oh well, ship has sailed on that for N4.

    Any changes to Lt/LoL mechanics would be interesting, making sturdy/aggressive Lts more of an option could be a pretty healthy.
     
  4. MATRAKA14

    MATRAKA14 Well-Known Member

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    You don't know if that guy bleeding can be saved, is just about to die or is already to late until somebody with knowledge checks his wounds.

    They are schrodinger soldiers, you don't know until you check.
     
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  5. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    It's not that Pan-O Doctors are worse at Doctoring than Haqq Doctors, it is that Pan-O soldiers are better at getting killed than Haqq soldiers.
     
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  6. Amusedbymuse

    Amusedbymuse Well-Known Member

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    ...it would be way to good. Shanger stats with HMG, new regeneration and TA would outclass any pointman in IA and WB links. I would even consider it good standalone beatstick in vanilla, easily worth 50+ points.
     
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  7. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    A Doctor Plus can pick up a Janissary on a 17 you say?
    *laughs in having a Cube*
     
  8. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I've spent a total of 6 command tokens my past two games in our online tournament getting my Yisheng to pick mission critical soldiers off the ground now :(
     
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  9. KestrelM1

    KestrelM1 Well-Known Member

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    At that point range it would still be competing with Daofei, Mowang, Yan Huo, Hsien, and Crane Agents. I am totally fine with a premium Shang Ji being able to compete with those.
     
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  10. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Vanilla gets TA orders on all their troopers. They're called Kuang Shi.

    But holy crap, that Regenerating AP HMG profile is pretty freaking huge for our boy.

    Don't stop, CB! Don't stop!
     
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  11. Amusedbymuse

    Amusedbymuse Well-Known Member

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    In vanilla yes. But what about IA links, TA HMG Zuyong compared to this theoretical shanger, harder to kill, better at cc better at dodging, with 70% chance to just stand up free of charge at the end of your turn, ready for aro duty, ready to give you 2 orders again. Don't get me wrong, I would love to use it, but it might be a tad bit too strong.

    Edit: Looking at states phase and regeneration descriptions it seems that we can do it both in active and reactive turn. As long as shanger isn't link leader you could put him for aro, he goes down and at the end of the turn you most likely get him back. On top of that basing this on n3 rules you can put him back in the link without any cost at the beginning of your next turn.
     
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  12. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if we'll get 3 or 4 in the Shang Ji box.
     
  13. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    I'm guessing four. He's the premier core link of the banner armies, don't you know!
     
  14. Splod

    Splod Well-Known Member

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    Ideally I'd like to see a box of:
    - HMG
    - Heavy Rocket Launcher
    - Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower
    - MULTI Rifle

    This would cover all load-outs and allow a full core fireteam in IA when using the hacker model from the recent previews.

    Or maybe we'll get the old '3 + tinbot' box with the HRL as a separate blister? CB occasionally make 'odd' decisions about packaging.
     
  15. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    I don't think we'll be seeing this loadout next edition...
     
  16. Splod

    Splod Well-Known Member

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    Maybe that increases the odds of the '3 + tinbot' box?
     
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    Fortunately there's already a very new Yu Jing Tinbot B packed in with Tai Sheng, so probably not.
     
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  18. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't look like Shang Ji do combi rifles anymore or light flamethrowers. That last spot might wind up being the paramedic, or maybe the specialist operative might finally get a design.
     
  19. Tibooper

    Tibooper Well-Known Member

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    Maybe 3 Shang Ji and one Jujak to complete the box? Since the latter only wants to be part of a core with the Shang, I won't find this to be out of the place. CB already did this with the Securitate box (3 Securitate + 1 Grenzer), so why not?
     
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  20. Amusedbymuse

    Amusedbymuse Well-Known Member

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    HMG
    HRL
    Multi rifle
    And my hopes for some universal model with pistol + colt or sword+ colt/pistol.
    As mentioned before I don't think we'll get 2nd tinbot within a year.
    Same with dakini with Deva. But I hope it's not a thing. Jujak should get separate box. If nothing changes you can use 4 with 1 shanger in core so we need them.
     
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