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What's good in Svalarheima?

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Zsolt, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. archon

    archon Well-Known Member

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    What underwhelms me a bit is the fact, that one of the foundation units of SWF, the Nisses, have a core option that is very hard to use, because nowadays no one use those pricy MI links where all members have pricy MSV 2. To make them WC would make them too near on the Kamau-Thing (Kamau should never be WC, Nisses should be). So at the moment it is better (cheaper) to take a single Nisse than an Haris with Quinn and FTO Mechanist. A special FT like 2 Fusi + 1 Nisse haris would be a nice add on.

    I also miss an AD unit. Even a Cruasader would do, but an all female rescue group with paramedic or doctor with AD 4 will be only a dream. More fitting than a hammer swinging ariadnan in Pan O armour ;-)
     
  2. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    After a big disapointmen and look several times over Winter Force in the army, not all it is so bad. I'am agree with the clause, in n3 WF don`t look really good, but we will have to wait to N4 and see. Still, N3 talking they are some good options. I think.

    Maybe WF (N3) isn't to play using full cores, or every fireteam you could place in one list, insted of play with the ava of some units. "Spam of Nokken and Locust plus some Peacemaker could do the trick. Yes, the adversari could see the troups comming, but if he hasn't enough visors or template, not every army have too much options of these, he could have a really bad day.

    Still they are some things don't really looks well in N3.

    Boyg, too expensive only for a +1 Burst.
    Infirmier, too expensive only for +1 VOL but less movement.
    Hospitalers, why only haris and why they could do haris with the Infirmier. Two doctos in the same spot? Why CV? :P
    Agnes, really? 16 points for... a smg and specialist operative? For a few more points I can have Quinn.

    Maybe whe we will see N4, we will understand what WF really ist, or maybe we will have a Bolt effect not only in a few miniatures but in a whole sectorial. I really hope not.

    Try to stay postivives.

    Best regards.
     
  3. Crusader

    Crusader Well-Known Member

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    Agnes isn't that bad, for +4pts over a Fusi paramedic you get a WIP13 specialist who has DTW in a link. Never underestimate a B2 nanopulser :P . I know we have the awesome Vargars w/ HTF but she costs half as much as them and can link with Fusis.
     
  4. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Nah, you just have to be accustomed to "Set Theory", good guy CB makes us learn some high-school/university math during this lockdown ;P
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    Well Lazarus is really expensive (for what he brings). His link options are not that great (yea, he can heal ML KoJ, but so can do Trauma doc with or without palmbot for cheaper). His CC is at this worst of all points of "competent but not enough", he will be extremaly nice after you IMM that enemy TAG with Kahur, but that's already quite complicated scenario to accomplish. Atm. he might have some merit if you go for a link with a single fusilier, him and ORCs+KoJ ... but even then he's kinda fragile doctor (and people are already used to know to always shoot the doctor first. So far in N3 he seems extremaly redundant in a sectorial which already has Hospitaller Doctor and Trauma doc....
    So instead of porting (and mayby changing her, they introduced yet another character which doesn't bring anythig interesting ?
     
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  5. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Also:

    What if all those mimetism guys in SWF actually have Limited Camo (N4) ?
     
  6. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    No idea, we'll see? Personally I hope for Hidden Deployment Locusts, but I'm not able to tell how probably any of our speculations will be.
     
  7. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    I mean why not both?
    Locusts with Hidden Deployment and Nokken with Limited TO would be neat.

    Both impossible in N3, but very possible in N4.
     
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  8. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Mostly because Nokken is already very useful, so it doesn't really need it - especially if we want more expensive Locust to have its use. Not that I'll complain if we'll get anything extra.
     
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  9. Pinky

    Pinky Well-Known Member

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    SWF as a sectorial hasn't clicked with me, but I haven't tested it out yet due to the lockdown and everything. So, my impressions.
    The Nokken is a really good specialist and midfield fighter. I like the Minelayer and FO Panzerfaust profiles the most. The Vargar are a toolkit, unfortunately dragged down by being 4-2, but including some in the lists is easy and good. Lots of profiles that seem fun to play. Karhu seem to be made for a Duo with a KoJ, bring along an engineer or paramedic with you to do objectives and place mines, maybe templating tags on the side as well. KoJ themselves are fine, a better FK, without much competition for the role either.
    Boyg are garbage and have few redeemable traits. It's a bad unit for early N3 letalone late N3 with a ton of units doing the same thing, but much, much better. Gunnar is likewise horribly overpriced, he's worth 28 points, not 38 by any stretch of the imagination. The 16 point DtW Fusilier is a CSU that costs 16 points instead of 12-13, not much to add. Don't use aggressive models on my backfield links and Fusis/Regulars tend to stay in the back. The Infirmarer is a worse Bipandra, combining all the things I don't want to see on a backline specialist, such as relatively high armour, bs 13, unimpressive WIP and paying for melee he's never going to use. Shame about there not being a more playable full Nisse core option and a Hospitaller option because I'd really like to try them with a higher ava of remotes and better cheerleaders. If personal economy doesn't completely tank I'll probably be getting some Nokken, Karhu and Vargar. I think Vanilla PanO is now possibly interesting to play, there's a lot to love when you can combine it with Joan, Swiss and Acontacimento Regulars.
     
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  10. SmaggTheSmug

    SmaggTheSmug Well-Known Member

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    Kahru seem like they are doing Sval ORCs' jobs, but cheaper and better (extra long range secondary weapons, MImetism, Duo, ENGINEER).
    They may be low key but good.

    Also I motion to use 4chan nomenclature for Knight of Justice: "Mom Knight".
     
  11. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    Speaking to the general topic:

    • Knight of Justice / ORC in Fusiliers is good. Great, even. I really like what they've done with the KoJ: useful weapons, real close combat ability, and a natural candidate for benefiting from link bonuses. ORC heavy weapons in Fusiliers has always been good, just frequently overshadowed by the Mimetism 1-Wounders that can also join those links. This is a really good Core team though.
    • AVA3 Fugazi. This is like a good luck charm for PanO Sectorials.
    • Minelayer. Hey, anything that starts with a mine on the table is helpful. Double helpful when you don't have a marker state to hide under, and need that mine to survive.
    This is actually the first time I've wanted to put a Knight on the table, and not just because I'm playing Looting & Sabotage.
     
  12. Sangarn

    Sangarn TRIUMcorp CEO
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    what about minelayers ? there are both expensive and cost SWC
    obvious mines are less good than mine that maybe KHD maybe jammer maybe redfury

    FD2 mines are nice but the cost isn't

    totally agree on your 2 others points
     
  13. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    You realise that minelayer also comes with 2 guns, BS12, and ODD? That's not exactly a shit package for 29points and 0.5 SWC. And if you're worried about SWC well they thought of that the Boyg fixes that for you.
     
  14. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    So what if they cost SWC? They always did and always were useful, nothing new there. Especially since they work just fine against enemy Camo. It's a very useful package, especially for this price.
     
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  15. Tongfa

    Tongfa ULTRA INSTINCT UKR

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    Lord help me I'm actually unironically liking Sval (DT - one of the Vargs?, Liaison - The other Varg? idk)
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    KNIGHT OF JUSTICE Missile Launcher / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (1.5 | 50)
    AGNES Submachine Gun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    NØKK Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30)
    NØKK (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 25)
    VARG (Forward Observer) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 25)
    VARG (Forward Observer) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 25)
    LIANG KAI Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 22)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5
    NISSE HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34)
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    6 SWC | 300 Points
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    Much more of your stock standard 15 order list (+1 for liang). With all the efficiency of the fusilier link and 3 fuzagis, Sval can absolutely hit that nice order sweet spot while taking your specialists of choice.

    I'm actually really liking Sval and that's not just me being contrarian - you've got so many models here (Nokks, Vargs, Liang and the Nisse HMG) that can do good work but are more than happy to fly solo.

    Sval seems like the sectorial where you get every trick under the sun EXCEPT marker state - and that just makes it so interesting (vs white banner which is like even our remotes get marker state lmao). Also, the Nokk FO with the BS and panzer looks like it could be one of those quiet achiever profiles, always ready to help out with a coordinated order or to swing in to a clear the room with a +6 for me, -6 for thee boarding shotgun.

    The Vargs just seem super cool - I love this buddy cop dynamic that they have with the Nokks where they seem to cover each other's blindspots.

    This version doesn't have mines - Sval does feel a little SWC fiddly (which is a big plus to commit the extra 6 points for the KOJ ML 1.5 SWC over the Orc Feurbach 2SWC even outside of the ML>Feurbach comparison), but you could easily mix it up with the above list to include them. Liang is like a human mine, so there's that.
     
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  16. Skoll

    Skoll Well-Known Member

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    I wish the KoJ had kept the father knight Boarding shotgun
     
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  17. Tongfa

    Tongfa ULTRA INSTINCT UKR

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    KOJ > Boyg feelsfuckingbad #buffboyg #boygbestboy (Varg DT & Liaison)
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    ORC Feuerbach / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 42)
    AGNES Submachine Gun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    KNIGHT OF JUSTICE Missile Launcher / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (1.5 | 50)
    VARG (Forward Observer) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 25)
    QUINN Shock Marksman Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    NØKK (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 29)
    LIANG KAI Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 22)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4
    NØKK Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30)
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    5.5 SWC | 300 Points
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    Another list idea - revolving around two very tough ARO pieces (KOJ and Orc), as well as assorted monks/nokks running around.

    I think I'll leave it to other folks to make the Boyg sing in its current state for now. I'm sure it's got legs, but tbh if I want to have a Boyg ML for the active/reactive, I might as well take a wildcard KOJ ML and attach to a haris of things (varg [god why are HRLs always so cheap...] and quinn) I'd probably want to take anyway. The Boyg and KOJ are equally tanky (unless you want to dodge), and insultingly, the KOJ ML in a haris has equal firepower in the active and better firepower in reactive. It's a shame, b/c I'm a sucker for S5 stuff, but it is what it is.

    The Boyg Mk12 having no SWC is good, but feels like a bit of meme, b/c then you get blocked by points from taking all the SWC heavy things you might want anyway.
     
  18. Tongfa

    Tongfa ULTRA INSTINCT UKR

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    Proxy Valk as Gunnar.

    Just say it's Gunnar in drag.
     
  19. Guardian

    Guardian Well-Known Member
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    I truly don't understand, why introduce a KoJ instead of fixing FK? And do something different and fresh for KoJ... I really don't understand.
     
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    Rebranding. and currently we're in a transition state where both profiles are available.
     
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