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valid double tag lists?

Discussion in 'Druze Bayram Security' started by dhellfox, Mar 25, 2020.

  1. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    hi i was wondering if there were any valid competitive lists for a druze double tag

    currently my fun list
    TAGtastic
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    BRAWLER (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    ANACONDA HMG + Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / CCW. (2 | 68)
    [​IMG] OPERATOR Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (- | 0)
    SCARFACE & CORDELIA TURNER . (1.5 | 78)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE 2 Mk12, Heavy Rocket Launcher / AP CCW. (1.5 | 61)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. ()
    [​IMG] CORDELIA TURNER Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    BRAWLER Doctor (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    BRAWLER Engineer Rifle + Light Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    DRUZE Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    DRUZE (X Visor) Shock Marksman Rifle, Chain-colt / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)

    5 SWC | 298 Points

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  2. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    I think the only viable double TAG lists I've ever seen was from PanO. I just dont see how its supposed to work on other armies.
     
  3. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    that's depressing, i had a good tournament O-12 run with double fatsuits (gamma) there almost light TAGs in size and price.
    just looking lightly over the druze options everything feels expensive or low in AVAs
     
  4. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    Well, I'm not saying it's impossible but I'm merely stating my observations. I just say this because I don't think Scarface and the Anaconda are good enough TAG's that you can build a LI-list around them, like you're able to in PanO.
     
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  5. Cthulhu363

    Cthulhu363 May his passage cleanse the world.

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    I've done double TAG for Combined Army successfully. I haven't tried it, but a double NA2 TAG list doesn't seem very viable. You'd need the TAGs to have separate and distinct rolls on the table. For example, in Combined Army, i've run an Avatar and an Overdron. The Avatar is the heavy hitter and the Overdron is there to hunt any MSV units on the first turn, then act as back up fire support.
    With Druze, the Anaconda and Scarface fill the same roll, so don't really complement eachother. It's the law of diminishing returns.
     
  6. Djase01

    Djase01 0 12 Mastermind

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    How?! The avatar + overdron leaves you only 90ish points that leaves you with very little stuff add, plus both of those are order eaters and you'll be spending a lot of orders on one and not doing much with anything else.
     
  7. Cthulhu363

    Cthulhu363 May his passage cleanse the world.

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    That is correct. It leaves you with 102 points left to spend. That leaves you with enough points for an engineer and a hacker and 6 more orders. 1st turn, the Overdron will be the active piece, hunting MSV units or anything that poses a serious threat to the Avatar. Turn 2 and 3, the Avatar will be doing all the work, just like in all Avatar lists.
     
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  8. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    My Combined dual-TAG lists are usually based around Xeodron/Overdron use. They’re cheap enough that I can build a resilient rest of an army around them, while still bringing value for their points.
     
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  9. Capo.Paint

    Capo.Paint Well-Known Member

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    Well, if you think about it a bit, and if you went insane enough with Druze, it could work. At least it seems funny. But I would optimize your list a bit:
    Druze Bayram Security
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    ANACONDA HMG + Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / CCW. (2 | 68)
    [​IMG] OPERATOR Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (- | 0)
    SCARFACE & CORDELIA TURNER . (1.5 | 78)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE 2 Mk12, Heavy Rocket Launcher / AP CCW. (1.5 | 61)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. ()
    [​IMG] CORDELIA TURNER Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    BRAWLER (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    BRAWLER Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 17)
    BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    DRUZE (X Visor) Shock Marksman Rifle, Chain-colt / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    DRUZE Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)

    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    Cordelia is the better engineer-option you have, so I want her to keep my TAGs alive. If this would be relevant needs to be tested, since Scarface will go down when he attacks and Anaconda dies whenever someone aims on it. But you have the option and at least a good specialist. Everything else is there to guard the TAGs a bit and to deal with things you can't handle with big guns.
    The plan with the TAGs would be that the Anaconda opens up the path for Scarface, Scarface burns as much as possible in turn one and dies. Your link should handle the counter-attack and Anaconda or the Hunzakut can clean things up then.
     
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  10. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    dropping the core link this is the most orders i squeeze out of it

    Druze Bayram Security
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7
    SCARFACE & CORDELIA TURNER . (1.5 | 78)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE 2 Mk12, Heavy Rocket Launcher / AP CCW. (1.5 | 61)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. ()
    [​IMG] CORDELIA TURNER Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    BRAWLER (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    BRAWLER Doctor (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    BRAWLER Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 17)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]1
    ANACONDA HMG + Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / CCW. (2 | 68)
    [​IMG] OPERATOR Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (- | 0)
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    KAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    KAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  11. Magekiller

    Magekiller New Member

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    My only questions is, I thought you couldn't link nasmat to a team. I know that Scarface can link with either Cordeelia or Val. But can they have a nasmat?
     
  12. Capo.Paint

    Capo.Paint Well-Known Member

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    You don't link Scarface in this case. So Cordelia hides somewhere to repair her freaking out brother and the Anaconda.
     
  13. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    If I had to try and make a double-TAG list for Druze, I'd probably lean towards something like this.

    Druze Bayram Security
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    SCARFACE & CORDELIA TURNER . (1.5 | 78)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE 2 Mk12, Heavy Rocket Launcher / AP CCW. (1.5 | 61)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. ()
    [​IMG] CORDELIA TURNER Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    ANACONDA Spitfire + Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / CCW. (2 | 66)
    [​IMG] OPERATOR Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (- | 0)
    BRAWLER (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    DRUZE (X Visor) Shock Marksman Rifle, Chain-colt / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    DRUZE Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    BRAWLER Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)

    5 SWC | 295 Points

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    Scarface and Anaconda so Scarface and Anaconda things. Cordelia has a Nasmat bot so she doesn't commit suicide helping her big bro.
    Two Hunzakuts because they are cheap specialists with mines, plus their Irregular orders get counter-balanced by the TAGs Tac-Awareness.
    MSV2 MSR Brawler-Druze link because backfield MSV2 MSR links are dope. Plus an SSL2 KHD is still in the link if/when the MSR dies that meshes well with the Hunzakuts Deployable Repeater for Deployable Repeater + SSL2 KHD business, especially since you have two TAGs to help out. T:

    Strictly speaking, I think there are three factions that can make double TAG lists work ''decently'' ( Objectively speaking, any faction with two different TAG options can do it, but the key here is the support for the TAGs and TAG variety, at which point only CA, Nomads, PanO and Acon kinda work there IMO. ).

    Honestly, I'm more of an advocate for 1 TAG + 2-3 HI setups over double TAGs, but that's just me.
     
  14. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    because TAGS! XD,
    i lost all my N1 PanO army in the move a few years back and now i own both merc TAGs and a marut since i main coldfont (ariadna/ aleph)
    (i really need to get around to commissioning the pic of Dallis with sunglasses, sitting on a couch surrounded by human TAGS)
     
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  15. Magekiller

    Magekiller New Member

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    Ok for everyone who thinks we can link a g servant to Cordelia.
    G: Servant, Coordinated Order and Fireteams
    A G: Servant trooper and its Doctor/Engineer cannot be part of a Coordinated Order nor be a member of any type of Fireteam, unless specified otherwise.
    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Ghost_(G)#Ghost:_Servant

    I don't think that she can be able to for her being a duo unit. Now if you link Val with Turner and have Cordelia by herself you can get away with it it.
     
  16. Capo.Paint

    Capo.Paint Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but I am not forced to link her with Scarface. It is a skill, yes. But not the skill prevents the link with a Nasmat, but being in a fireteam. Since she is not while deploying and after, she can be synced.
     
  17. Magekiller

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    Ok then, but you got to worry about Scarface frenzing. I don't know how often does that happens in the game.
     
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  18. Capo.Paint

    Capo.Paint Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that is the issue here. At the point where Scarface frenzies, he dies (at least in my games that is a fact). But if you know this, you can plan a little wih it. You could wait with Scarface until turn 2 and use the Anaconda for an alpha-strike. Then Scarface could be available with an additional order in turn 3, where most of the dangerous stuff is down and the missing cover does not matter that much.

    But in the end, you are cutting yourself that much, that you change from hard mode to extra hard without any need. An Anaconda won't rush through the actual ARO-castles and with all the restrictions needed for both TAGs in your list, you have not enough teeth to survive a reactive turn or have any guns in reserve. So there will probably nothing to gain, if Scarface survives. You will better go only with him, linked with Cordelia and investing in a Druze HMG or other stuff.
     
  19. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    To be fair, I have a feeling that's how CB probably intended to use both TAGs... suicide missioning them ( Since you can't really repair the Anaconda once it loses it's two Wounds, and Scarface will end up burning up after the turn he gets a hit on anybody. ).

    ...at which point, I suppose you might as well fully embrace that double-brightness-flamethrower approach and just self-immolate yourself with the enemy...
    Probably greatly ineffective but brutal as hecc.
     
  20. jfunkd

    jfunkd hard forum hittin Carlos
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    Scarface is one of the better deals in Infinity for a TAG, in DBS; but you can't take two of him.

    What is this Anaconda you speak of? :D

    Obviously kidding, but the Anaconda is just not something I want to run, pretty much ever. I have seen it run before, just once, and I wasn't that impressed. TA helps it some, but it's expensive, big and slow.

    I was wishing that DBS would have gotten a generic Ramhorn TAG instead of Scarface... but then Scarface as a fireteam is so good that i'd have a hard time giving it up now unless they were AVA 2... with duo lol.

    Late game if you have killed a lot of the TAG killing threats, it can actually be a good thing if you start your turn with Scarface getting 3 orders. Also, you have an awful lot of control with Scarface because of fireteams suppressing frenzy.

    Edit: Oh sorry, I see now that you pointed that out.
     
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