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Brainstorming White Banner lists

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Antares, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Well, someone had to do it, so here are my versions of the Invisible army.


    Invisible Army (White Banner)
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    DÀOFĚI Lieutenant Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CCW. (1.5 | 55)
    DÀOFĚI Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 59)
    HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    15 marker states and a sensorbot for dealing with enemy camo.

    And if you're looking to extend the new toys to vanilla, you can do this way too:

    Invisible Army (Vanilla)
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    DÀOFĚI Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 59)
    ZHĒNCHÁ (Forward Observer) Submachine Gun, D.E.P., Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 34)
    HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26)
    HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper, Antipersonnel Mines / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
    NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)

    6 SWC | 298 Points

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    Start with the Ninja as a regular camo token for 15 on the table (or don't, you do you). You could also replace one of the Hunduns with the MMR loadout and the Ninja with a Libertos and give the Long Yas HSGs, and go for a full 16 camo markers to start.

    For what it's worth, I think both of those variants can work, even if they are meme-lists. The vanilla one is probably the most balanced of the bunch, although without a high burst medium-long range gun available, you have to rely a lot on the Daofei (and after he probably dies, the Zhencha) to break enemy lines. Also, remember that the Daofei's PH14 means he can infiltrate onto the enemy side of the table on a not-entiretly-terrible 11. It's a bit of a hail mary, but can be worth the risk sometimes.

    The White Banner version gets a spitfire fueled by a Lt order and can suss out camo markers with its Sensorbot, but is more vulnerable on the defensive because of its front-line Lt who also really wants to actively use the order.

    Both lists can suffer if they deploy second, as the opponent can use their own camo markers to limit the deployment of your mines. The presence of enemy sensors can also gut this before it gets going. That said, if you do deploy first, the midfield becomes basically untouchable for most enemy skirmishers. As a whole, I think the vanilla version is a slight bit better overall. In either case though, these aren't the kind of lists you can bring all the time. You whip them out every once in a while to keep it in the back of your opponents' head.
     
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  2. Law Dawg

    Law Dawg Well-Known Member

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    Ah, don't need to print a courtesy list with the invisible army list. Save some trees! XD
     
  3. Khalipo

    Khalipo Well-Known Member

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    I, too have thought of a full camo list, but with a trap:
    Code:
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    That zhanshi alone in a rooftop? Must be the lieutenant!
     
  4. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, my first assumption in a situation like that would be a Tian Guo. I'd probably leave it alone unless an easy opportunity to kill an order popped up.
     
  5. Joametz

    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    So, I'm now obsessed with making a list with 3 fireteams with a jammer inside each and every single one of them work (theoretically, at least). I've come down with this monstrosity:

    3x Jammers
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    QIANG GĀO (Lieutenant L2) HMG, Nanopulser / 2 x Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1 | 43)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 42)
    TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    ZHANSHI Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    ZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Fireteam: Haris, Tactical Awareness) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower + TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 43)
    LÉI GŌNG (Chain of Command) Submachine Gun, Nanopulser, Blitzen / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 42)
    TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)

    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    There is a high chance it needs more specialists to do stuff, but those Tactical Awareness orders are just so intoxicating to pass up. You have one extra order in every fireteam and I would disguise the Holo 1s as a regular combi rifle Zhanshi, a combi rifle Jujak and another combi rifle Jujak since that would bring the fake point costs to 304... Obviously, that doesn't add up, but hopefully the opponent thinks just one of them is an actual Tian Gou and surprise ensues.
     
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  6. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I did another random mission Comlog and got Safe Area and created two lists. One going for numbers, the other for durability.

    Of the two, I like list 1 more.

    List 1
    Here’s what I came up with for it. I need defenders and attackers.
    The Long Ya are defenders of the zones and consoles of on my half of the table. They already start with a mine and +4in up. After mines are gone, go in to suppression.
    The a core of Zhanshi with Tian Gou as back up defenders.
    Main attackers for the enemy half and consoles are the pair of Guilang and Daofei.
    Rui Shi that can be both if needed, a doctor to try to keep guys up in zones.

    Safe Area
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    ZHANSHI Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
    ZHANSHI Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 16)
    ZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    Zhanshi YĪSHĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
    DÀOFĚI Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 59)
    PANGGULING (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PANGGULING (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    3.5 SWC | 299 Points
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    List 2 Durability
    Unfortunately I could only come up with all attack or all defend, so I went with attack.
    Note: I gotta say I hate how the Jujak must have a Shang Ji. I you can’t really let them use that 6-2 move.

    The White Banner Army
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    SHÀNG JÍ (Fireteam: Haris, Tactical Awareness) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower + TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 43)
    ADIL (Specialist Operative, Veteran L1) Breaker Combi Rifle, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon, Electric Pulse. (0 | 37)
    JUJAK Engineer Boarding Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 36)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    DÀOFĚI Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 55)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    GŬILÁNG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
    ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
    RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
    4 SWC | 300 Points
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  7. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Mechanized
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]3
    TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    ZHANSHI Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    ZHANSHI Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    ZHANSHI Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
    HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
    RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
    WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    I tried to get a Shang-Ji Tinbot in there, but it's just far too expensive if I don't want to detract from the theme. One Weibing and one Husong can be traded for a Shang-Ji TinTaWare at which point I'd note that if the obvious LT risks being assassinated you put the LT in the Fireteam and let it look like an Obvious Jammer while you put the Tian Gou outside the Fireteam to look like an obvious LT. In this version of the list, however, you trust the Jammer to prevent anyone from assassinating the LT - or if you expect to have visits from an impersonator you box in either the LT or the Jammer with a protective layer of mines from the Long Ya so that the Speculo/Fiday has to shoot you and can't use the superior melee ability.
    If orders feel short, a Weibing could be split into two Chaiyi which also gives a method of reducing an assassination attempt by body-blocking with low-importance troops, though I think for many missions two Weibing might be needed to push buttons.

    This list will probably only work if you have access to multi-level buildings.
     
  8. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Mission control, I'm coming home.

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    We never play non-tactical window spam format so every list I build for 15 max:

    WB2
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    BLUE WOLF AP Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower, Akrylat-Kanone / DA CC Weapon. (2 | 89)
    [​IMG] BLUE WOLF PILOT Light Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 0)
    LÉI GŌNG (Chain of Command) Submachine Gun, Nanopulser, Blitzen / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    QIANG GĀO (Lieutenant L2) HMG, Nanopulser / 2 x Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1 | 43)
    ZHANSHI MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 19)
    ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
    ZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    ZHANSHI Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PANGGULING (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    A TAG list idea
    Lei Gong can join Wolf in duo as a mobile specialist that keeps the pace with it or go as 6th in a team once sniper kicks the bucker
    Qing Gao is there just for HI HMG in a dork team bruteforce
    Not for specialist-intensive missions

    WB1
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8
    DÀOFĚI Lieutenant Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CCW. (1.5 | 55)
    ZHANSHI MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 19)
    ZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    ZHANSHI Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    LÉI GŌNG (Chain of Command) Submachine Gun, Nanopulser, Blitzen / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    Zhanshi YĪSHĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)

    6 SWC | 298 Points

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    General purpose list, one that I use in our TTS league and that I'd probably take to the next satellite (if it happens, sigh)
    Daofei+CoC for order effiiciency
    Maybe Adil would be better than Lei Gong because he has pretty good statline for turn 3 mud fights in what would be left of a fireteam

    WB madness
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    DÀOFĚI Lieutenant Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CCW. (1.5 | 55)
    GŬILÁNG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    YĚ MĀO AP Spitfire / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32)
    ADIL (Chain of Command) Breaker Combi Rifle, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon, Electric Pulse. (0 | 39)
    TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

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    Just a ROFL list that I liked how it played in actual game nonetheless. Camo, camo, camo and an attacking haris team.
    Really good opportunities for camo-coordinated order abuse with Long Yas and Hundun
    Superjump on Ye Mao is really fun, a letdown after Hollow Men of course but you can keep rooftops in check
    Tian Gou can pretend to be a Qing Gao or a Shang Ji hacker to draw aggro
     
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  9. Miraclebutt

    Miraclebutt Well-Known Member

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    Technically this list is just waiting for N4 before it works, and technically vanilla, and technically needs the Tiger Lt to cross over to the new edition, but folks,

    Yu Jing
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    TIGER SOLDIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 27)
    TIGER SOLDIER Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29)
    TIGER SOLDIER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)
    NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)
    NINJA KUNAI (Forward Deployment L1) Shock Marksman Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW, Knife. (0.5 | 34)
    HÙNDÙN (Multispectral Visor L1) Shock Marksman Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31)
    HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26)
    HAC TAO (Executive Order) HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 69)

    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    No models
    No markers
    No orders
    No chance of victory
    No limit to fun.
     
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