I’m just going to throw my two cents in here. I am waiting for the response but has someone who has been playing for about a year, not having played other games (so no experience with other franchises history) and having acquired 4 entire factions (Tohaa being one of them) and more than 300 points of all the others as well as being all in with Defiance. If they disable tohaa (which I haven’t even gotten to play yet, I will stop buying CB products, as well as its partners products and cancel my preorders. I have enough to proxy anything I need to. Though I don’t want to do that, I won’t support a business that I cannot trust to support its customers. Like I said still going to wait for official word, but that’s where I am at right now. Just one loyal fans opinion.
Hey, remember when we had this exact same kind of situation in Uprising and we got zero communication and we expected the worst and then the worst happened? Now, I'm not saying "try to sucker some idiot into buying your possibly no longer useable minis", but I'm saying exactly that. Or sit there with hopes and expectations of CB being great, IDK. I mean, the info came from Gutier, and if he is as good at speaking as he is at writing he might be capable of saying exactly the opposite of what he meant to say.
well, keeping those factions, even at a minimum makes that players can say to new players that come from other games: "these dudes keep on their word and don't leave you behind". But instead, if these rumours become true, CB just becomes like the other companies or even worse (because if this become true, they would have lied, again) I know some tohaa players that would buy any new release. If CB stops to give new miniatures, of course there will be no extra sales! justifying retiring a faction because low sales after they forced the low sales in the first place is absurd. I don't know what CB will do in the end, but I know that deffending and justifying everything they do, I think it will make as good as those people think.
They didn't sell poorly, they were old sculpts that everyone already had. CB has ceased developing the Tohaa faction and aside from a few new style sculpts they stopped creating for it themselves. In my FLGS Tohaa was still selling. When it was being discontinued, it literally flew off the shelves because people didn't want to be left without minis to play that army, it was this popular. And we were promised that the discontinued armies would be in Army and "always" legal in ITS. The recent end of the year ITS statistics from multiple tournament sources have shown that Tohaa is one of the most popular factions. We've all seen the graphs, so I don't get the "represented the fewest players". https://www.infinitythegame.com/blog/item/613-what-will-2019-bring-from-corvus-belli Tohaa players! It is going to be a chance for the alien species of the universe to expand their influence over the Human Sphere. We will see new sectorials, and that also means having to say goodbye to the ones that are less played by the community. Don’t panic just yet though - just because we stop producing miniatures for that sectorial army, the profiles are still available in Infinity Army, the sectorial will always be valid in ITS.
I'm not sure it's fair to say things like, "people who play _______ don't buy new miniatures anyway." Infinity has a scale that is amenable to playing multiple factions. A lot of us play QK, and MRRF, and Tohaa, and SAA...if you had purchased those factions' minis over the past say 5 years, you could have never stopped purchasing until today. While it is true nobody is breaking my stuff, I'm looking at about half of the models I own becoming invalid, and options to play different factions I own being cut in half. That's pretty weak.
OK, they've come and erased your Michael Jackson album "because license expired end of 2019". You can now use the blank CD to record porn or Madonna, but no more Michael Jackson for you, ever. Until they repurchase the license. Maybe.
At this point in the analogy I don't even know what half of you are arguing anymore. Through the various "Well, actually...." posts and the others that miss the point entirely and argue laterally. My original point still stands – It's unreasonable to expect any product supported forever. A tree needs to be pruned if it's to grow properly. I'm sorry your guys got "invalidated" to you - but you understand this is better for the health of the game in the long run? I agree with you CB probably should have gotten ahead of this, but did you really not expect this, or something like this, to happen?
I see so many people exploding over all this. Yeah a couple armies are getting the axe. But as a few folks have said they at least were kept till the end of N3. I have an MRRF army but I'm not too sad to see them go. I'm sure a few of there units will still carry over to the new vanillia. (Chassuers come to mind, and I still have this feeling we'll see a resculpt of Margo and Duroc sooner than later) If there is going to be some really heavy overhauls for N4 I can understand why not every faction and sectoral will be avslible right out of the gate. I do hope all the vanilla ones will be out right after release. (Though probably with some trimming until sectorals follow up and fill out the roster again) It's gonna take some time. I'll learn the new system with what is available, and probably play some N3 to if I need a taste of some of my yet to be rereleased factions. I'm excited to see what changes as they roll all the sectorals out again. Could be alot of shake ups. And opportunities for those factions or at least some of their units to be reimagined in new sectorals.
OK, it's more like having the CD scratched so it's unplayable. you can use the CD as decoration, maybe use the case to store thinly sliced ham, but neither of those things are the original purpose. You claiming people shouldn't be upset that they can't use their models for the original purpose because everything breaks eventually is just weird. It's like saying you can't be upset your dog was run over because it would have died of old age anyway. I only buy miniatures I like and that I want to own and paint. I bought Acon and MRRF because I like the miniatures and I'll still use them either as proxies or in other games like Zone Raiders. I bought the Azra'il when it was announced they were going OOP because it like the models. I'm not hysterical because they *might not* be supported in N4 but it sure would be a shame if I couldn't run a Tikbalang again and would directly impact my enjoyment of the game.
To be fair people who play a Sectorial, probably also play, or will be playing at some point, a Vanilla faction. This means they are or will become a spender. Loosing a Sectorial I can understand getting over, but loosing some important units from the main force? I sincerely hope CB will not remove profiles from Vanilla armies. On that note - it is QK, MRRF, SAA now, but I can't stop wandering what's next? Ain't gonna panic. Will wait patiently for CB's response. Still it is very difficult not to wander about the future of the range.
Wow, 3 days without reading these forums and suddenly this grew faster than coronavirus Quarantine Coronavirus Belli!! Jokes apart, I'm sad about my main two sectorials (NCA, Acon) not making it into N4, but I'm also responsible for similar decisions in my company and in the end all it matters is achieving expected growth for next (2-3 years) period. They will loose some customers, gain others. Let's just hope they can keep this game alive.
Yu Jing? And I love how you're arguing that planned obsolescence has always been there and that we shouldn't be bothered by it, @MikeTheScrivener. That's a fallacy though.
Your analogy is missing the point worse than Columbus. A music album is bought for the express purpose of enjoying the music in private or very small gatherings, using whatever means you have of recreating the music on your own systems. You own the right to use said music, even to alter it, provided you do not claim copyright over it (and boy does it get messy if you remix it and try to spread that music) The music label has no way of making decisions that might affect your way of accessing the music since you, once you have purchased it, no longer rely on the music label for any part of your product. Should the music label issue a new album with extra content, yours will not be affected. Should the artist or the album lose legal right to distribute the content, yours will not be affected. Sony did try to implement a way of enforcing a limited term access to music on their music CDs, but it was shut down hard by, among others, the EU and anti-virus software. The music CD analogy is applicable to the likes of Raging Heroes, because they sell miniatures for you to enjoy without a tie-in to a game system. With Infinity most of us also purchase into a small echo system of extra services that we receive for free in order to motivate us to buy the grossing product. This model is not present in any way with music unless we view the likes of Spotify, but there we buy the service and not the product and the product is, regardless of what the big music labels might argue in court, basically immaterial and infinitely reproducible. Same with video games, to be honest, you're not buying the contents inside the game so that when they alter or remove a gun in Battlefield, you haven't actually payed any money for it (but even then people of course get very upset and send letters and emails to real people with very serious threats that they shouldn't be sending to anyone) Hell the closest thing I can think of is Tesla,off the top of my head, and the self-driving software that they constantly change. However, when we buy miniatures we're not sitting inside them while being moved around at lethal speeds and a minor error has the potential to be deadly - but I digress. I think my TLDR is that most comparisons are strawmen because they lack vital components to make them comparable.
As above, this is planned obsolescence we were kept in the dark about. In fact, we were straight up lied to about, with the promises of "exclusive collector's army for years to come" for MRRF and "will remain in Army and will always be playable in ITS" for Tohaa less than three months ago. This is not cool on it's own and the company has a lot of explaining / course correction to do to regain the customer trust. Simple as that.
While I don't disagree, a much better approach would be to tell people that "a army or sectorial will be retired in 2 years". I say this because it can take a year for many of us to paint an army and then you'll at least get a year of play out or it. But to elude to it 6 month out, doesn't give people enough time IMO. Also, How are retailers supposed to sell stock if it's useless? There are plenty of stores that still have these mini's in stock... that's not going to go over well either.
In general, we should probably stray away from any comparison of physical and virtual goods. Very different products in very different circumstances.
So if they do give some sectorials the axe I doubt they're gonna give all of those units the axe as well. I wonder if some key units from those sectorials end up moving to other sectorials. Like maybe varuna gains bolts, hexa, and locusts. Maybe Military orders gains the swiss and aquila guards. Ramah could end up taking the hafza's and azrail? Something to that effect? If it was done right I could see it giving some sectorials a new playstyle sort of similar to an older sectorials. Maybe absorbing an old sectorial causes it to become a brand new sectorial altogether with a new name and logo and so on? If they did something like that I could understand it and be happy.
Screw Varuna getting any of that stuff. Screw Military Orders getting any of that stuff. They did a poor job of ever introducing and balancing the stuff in the first place, they might as well just give everyone the one finger salute and get rid of it all.
