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HMG Split Burst through Dazer

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  1. jczodli

    jczodli Active Member

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    Rules question recently came up in a game I had regarding splitting burst with an HMG at two targets in a Saturation zone.

    So if you are burst 4 (HMG) and in the active turn you shoot at two targets in a saturation zone (dazer) how much is your burst reduced in each example below?

    You allocate the shots 3-1?

    You allocate the shots 2-2?

    To change it slightly assume there are three targets and you allocate the shots 2-1-1?

    my understanding is that your overall burst is reduced by 1. So in order, it would be 2-1; 2-1, 1-1-1?

    My understanding is based on the excerpts from the wiki below. I understand there are examples, but given that none of them deal with multiple shots being fired at two targets in a saturation zone, I do not know how instructive they are.

    Please cite or quote the rules you're relying on in your explanation if its not too much trouble. Thank you.

    p.s. @ijw, would love to hear your ruling on it.

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    Saturation Zone
    Effects
    • Any BS Attack from, into, or through a Saturation Zone suffers a -1 Burst MOD.
    • Consequently, any BS Attack whose LoF makes contact with a Saturation Zone suffers the -1 B MOD.
    • The minimum Burst value is always 1.
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    Burst
    Each time a trooper declares a BS Attack, it can take as many shots as the Burst (B) value of its BS Weapon.

    During the declaration of a BS Attack, the player can distribute a number of shots equal to the Burst value among one or more targets, as long as they are valid (within LoF, if needed) (emphasis added).

    Burst Modifiers
    Certain situations can alter the usual B value of a weapon. Players apply Burst Modifiers when declaring the BS Attack.
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    N3 Frequently Asked Question FAQ Version: 1.1

    Q: How does a Saturation Zone reduce the Burst? Example 2

    A: A Grenzer with a Sniper Rifle with B2, inside a Saturation Zone, divides his weapon’s Burst among Fusilier A, who is outside the Saturation Zone and the Fusilier B, who is also outside of the Saturation Zone. He allocates 1 shot each to Fusiliers A and B. The Burst 1 against Fusiliers A and B remains unchanged, as a Saturation Zone cannot modify the Burst below 1.
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Also, example two has shots at two different targets in a Saturation Zone (Spencer and Bipandra) and the 1-2 split is reduced to 1-1.

    In essense, if the burst is split to make attacks against multiple targets all individual attacks have their bust reduced by one, to a minimum of one.

    If the burst of the weapon was reduced you wouldn't be able to make two attacks at different targets in the above example.
     
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    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Saturation_Zone
    Saturation Zone. Example 2
    [...]

    When he declares his BS Attack, Manek divides his weapon's Burst (B) among his potential targets. He allocates 1 shot to Angus and 1 to Spencer. Manek immediately recognized Bipandra as the dangerous element of the team, so he will shoot her twice, exhausting his B. But apparently, Manek failed to take into account the Saturation Zone and its effect on the B of his BS Attack. The B1 attack against Spencer remains unchanged, as a Saturation Zone cannot modify the Burst below 1. However, the B 2 attack against Bipandra becomes B 1 (2-1=1).
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    First target is 1-1=1 (because it can't go lower than one)
    Second target is 2-1=1

    The example shows that it tries to reduce the burst on both targets, each assignement of burst is reduced by 1 (cannot go lower than one).

    So if you are to shoot 2 targets, the optimal split would be 3-1 (which would become 2-1) and not 2-2 (which would become 1-1).

    (These examples assume both enemy targets are in the saturation zone, if one of them is not in a saturation zone, the burst assigned to that target is not going to get reduced)
     
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    jczodli Active Member

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    Got it. Thank you.

    Just to clarify though. Nothing would prevent you from doing the 3-1 allocation to reach an effective burst 2 against one of the targets correct?
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Correct
     
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