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Infinity: Code One - Now with actual rules!

Discussion in 'News' started by colbrook, Oct 5, 2019.

  1. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    A decent amount will also depend on how we, as existing players, sell/promote it. If we promote it as a way to get some use of the gorgeous models, and dip your toes in N4, we'll likely see more success than simply talking about it as a bridge.
     
  2. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    You're right, I don't have a ton of info to go off of, but "Infinity lite" doesn't sounds super appealing to me. coupled with the fact that the army builder isn't going to be updated until 2021 isn't exactly inspiring.

    I think right now, on demo night I'd just be more geared towards just demoing the full rules, then directing anyone interested to play C1 on their own time without a teacher
     
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  3. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Wait, when did they say anything about the Army builder not being updated?
     
  4. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. For those who have a strong community C1 is a gateway drug. For those of us without a strong community it is a potential fix between big scores.
     
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  5. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Koni's post, #257 - no armies will be added until 2021. presumably when the next operations box will come out

    Of course this leaves the 4 C1 factions prone to updates, but I can't imagine PanO or YJ getting any brand new units after Adepticon. Maybe O12 might get some new things? Combined might as well? Who knows. maybe we'll get that O12 sectorial in the summer and they'll have a handful for that?

    Of course I'm speculating but I don't think I'm being exactly unreasonable here.
     
  6. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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  7. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    I see it differently. I can do basic demo and rule growth with the Operation boxes I already own (Icestorm and ColdFront) and if C1 launched with full army support the new player could then go over to a shelf and pick out what they like without being shoe-horned to the 4 announced armies. They would then build through C1 into N4 without wasted purchases.

    That's how I interpreted the initial pitch of C1. Now it appears that it is going to be a slower build to that point, which is understandable from the storefront selling perspective that CB is aiming for. It's a bummer that I can't get running with that right off the bat as I hoped, but nothing insurmountable. It will likely mean that we focus on Recon or other avenues until C1 is more complete.
     
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  8. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Right, I took that to mean that the Army builder will still launch, just have only the original four factions, with the rest being added as time/production/release windows allow.
     
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  9. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Additional armies. CodeOne will be in Army well before that.
     
  10. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    yeah, that's what I meant - sorry if there was a misinterpretation. C1 army builder
    no new armies outside the 4 in it until 2021. Not exactly inspiring growth. My guess is more armies will be added with the announcement/release of operations boxes.

    This is a super nice idea and hopefully the ultimate 2022/2023 goal. but, at least in 2020, newer players won't have that type of agency. and it sucks, but it is what it is. to me it seems like C1 is meant to go hand in hand with the operations boxes.
     
  11. Vanderbane

    Vanderbane Well-Known Member

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    This is spot on, and how I think our group will move forward.

    At varying times in the process, C1 has been pitched as (among other things):

    - an on ramp to N4 for new players and retailers
    - a fully fleshed out alternative infinity game and supported organized play environment (albeit apparently this was rescinded a week later via a buried forum post that I and presumably others missed)
    - a simplified casual game built on vanilla factions
    - an unified set of starter rules
    - a first look at the N4 ruleset

    It's not surprising then that, as @DukeofEarl says, the actual product is different than what was expected because there were so many versions of what to expect. Add to that this recent forum kerfuffle, given that C1 has been discussed for about 6 months and this is the first we're hearing that it'll only support half the factions until 2021. This is also a new detail, and one that matters a lot for the new players in my community (3 aleph, 2 ariadna, 1 morat, 1 JSA) who can't take advantage of C1 rules without investing in a new army before they've really got a handle on what they picked up because they thought it was cool.

    Is this insurmountable? Of course not - we'll build our community and play our games and get everyone up to speed like when I joined the game a few years ago - I just don't see C1 playing a big role in our new player events where I hoped it would.
     
  12. Red Harvest

    Red Harvest Day in, Day out. Day in, Day out. Day in, DAY OUT

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    But some of us live under a bridge. Just sayin'.

    Code One releases at the end of March (Adepticon) and N4 releases at the end of July (GenCon). Will N4 have all the factions at release?
    So that those of us who play Haqq --the only faction that matters -- or the Nomads, Ariadna, ALEPH, or a NA2 factionette will be able to play our factions in N4 from the start?

    Well, Adepticon is 5 weeks away , so we wait that long to see the Code One rules. Teasers in 2-3 weeks, Operación:Kåldstrøm pre-orders in 3-4 weeks. (estimates)

    Also, be of good cheer. CB is not going to kill off Pan-O after all. It'll be nice that we'll still have Pan-O to kick around.
     
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  13. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Yes. Definitely! N4 has been thus described as a cleaned up version of N3. I would widely expect much of the same game.

    To reiterate about C1 – I'm interested to see what they'll write, but don't have much hope to play it myself or play it among my community.
     
  14. Vocenoctum

    Vocenoctum Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, to established players I think it should be as exciting as any other new Operation box. We'll have to wait and see, sure, but do we even know if there will be a rulebook in print separate from Kaldstrom? (I assume online stuff)
    Sure, C1 is "not just the Operation rules", but it's a similar niche in some ways.
     
  15. Vocenoctum

    Vocenoctum Well-Known Member

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    I think O12 & CA were just picked due to Wildfire being so recent. I do like O12, so am happy they're there. I can see maybe that Nomad's might be absent since they might depend on many rules that might not be in C1. I could also see the same with Haqq, I guess, if there's some odd stuff to their success without. Hopefully Aleph units can fit into O12's force.

    But Ariadna is the army guys, and I think they have a place, even if I don't really want them for myself.
     
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  16. DeltaDrop

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    So stores will be adviced to carry lots of units for those factions over other factions because they can have code one essentials?
     
  17. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    There will be a range of boxes/blisters from each faction that will be rebranded as "Infinity Code One" aimed at stores that want an Infinity presence but can't commit the rather large shelf space needed for the full range.

    At first that range will consist of some boxes and blisters from O-12, CA, PanO, and Yu Jing. As other factions are added to Code One they will have some (but not all) SKUs rebranded as Code One and added to the range.

    The end goal seems to be that each faction will have a "core" selection branded as Code One, and usable in C1 and N4, and a larger "expanded" selection under the current/N4 only branding.

    From what Koni says they're looking at a SKU count of 200 or fewer for Code One, which means logistically they're starting with the factions in the two most recent Operation batlepacks, and adding the rest as schedule and resources allow.
     
  18. LankyOgreBP

    LankyOgreBP Well-Known Member

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    This sums up my thoughts extremely well. I’m concerned that telling people to buy 1 of 4 factions to learn the game, so that they can then pick 1 of the 11 real factions is not going to fly with many people.
     
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  19. Mob of Blondes

    Mob of Blondes Well-Known Member

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    It was reported as happening in some places around here, with extra pressure from a toxic accident in another nearby region. I have no idea if the masks are right, but combining panic and need means stock going low or zero for masks in general. Let's hope it was just momentary thing, and more "for the news" than really lasting problem.

    I was talking about running out of protections (masks for staff, filters for the workshop air filtration, etc) because the factories give priority to products used for the virus, or the dealers redirect sales to higher profit places (scared people, even if the exact gear is the wrong one for virus). Similar to what colbrook said, but both factors, the scared part and the production/sales part.

    As for organizations... let's say they are not in the most glorious moments (quarantine 14 or 21 days? keep everyone in cruise ships so they can infect each other faster?) in part pushed for not wanting to slow down economies to "idle speed" and also due to having to deal with the opacity of some of the involved. Politics getting in the way, in short.

    As for your signature "it is going to be a chance"... maybe it suggests Infinity will get fumbles, not just criticals. A faction fumbled, now just roll for nasty/funny result. The real world and the signature combine into a chuckling moment... Humankind has too many tickets for self inflicted destruction, aliens would just need to wait.
     
  20. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    In that line I expect to see the stater boxes going OOP and being reworked/branded to C1.
     
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