N4 'surgery' thread

- Bao, but I'm hoping for a redesign instead
- Shang Ji, same as above
- Lunah, depending on what the fluff brings for her
- Sun Tse V2, old sculpt and not a very popular choice
- Mercs, hopefully
- Hac Tao, just a gut feeling :P

 

Well since JSA's removal I don't think YJ is going to get any major cuts. Maybe a few unit profiles trimmed away (like the Tiger MSR unless they do something with it in White Banner).

The two I can most likely see is Sun Tze V2 and the Pheasant.

@Knauf You sure you don't have a stomach bug, lol. Hac Tao aren't going anywhere.

 

@Knauf is on point I think, except for HacTao. I expect bunch of useless profiles to be cut, they did it when N2 > N3 ( especially on drop troops ) I expect this to happen again.

 

Units I'm expecting to see cut:

-Shang Ji
-Bao Troopers
-Daofei (With the way he got cut from IA, I'm hopeful that he'll be in WB, but I don't want to get too hopeful. Still, it'd be an awful decision to lose him, but CB seems to enjoy doing awful things to YJ)
-Sun Tze V2
-Pheasant Rank

 

This teaser has nothing to do with WB, it's for the new partnership with a company producing bigger scale statue. But yes the point stands, they probably wouldn't tease anything about shang-jis if they were going to delete them in september.

 

I don't think almos one of those profiles with posibilitiesto be discontinued. First and foremost I doubt they discontinue troops existing in a Starter pack or a beyond. They are the footings of every players army. Even if the pack is broken down into boxes and blisters. Secondly I don't think characters will get cutted down.

I can only see the bao with little chance of being discontinued... but somehow I doubt it. The more probable outcome is a little profile tweak for some of those.

 

I think you guys are vastly misinterpreting what CB meant by some profiles will be gone. It sounds much more like the timeline advancement will make certain units disappear due to events, think like Haramaki’s and Raiden from JSA or Units from MO.

 

I don't think Hac Tao is up for removal, if you're thinking about "can't have mirror matches", I think Swiss Guard is more likely to get removed if that's the case. Hac Tao was the original TO HI and Swiss are the copy cats, Hac Tao is also fairly popular, though I haven't checked the data mined data for Swiss.

Lunah though... prime target for advancing plot line, though this might either mean she moves on in her pursuit for justice, or she entrenches as a proper Yu Jing unit which probably means a strong alteration to abilities. Think of it as her going down a darker path and becoming an agent proper.

Have a bad feeling about Bao, though. No current miniatures and fairly unpopular.

However, I think we'll see a bigger shake-up in the profiles section. That is to say, as an example, I wouldn't be surprised if some or even all of these ones got axed:
PHEASANT IMPERIAL AGENT (Chain of Command, X Visor) Combi Rifle + E/Mitter, Stun Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 34)
PHEASANT IMPERIAL AGENT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0.5 | 32)
PHEASANT IMPERIAL AGENT (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Stun Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 29)
PHEASANT IMPERIAL AGENT (Chain of Command, Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + E/Mitter / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 34)
P.s. Remember, this would leave the sniper, the madtrap, and the Red Fury profiles.

 

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https://store.corvusbelli.com/wargames/infinity/miniatures/bao-troops

 

Just checked on Swiss Guard and... they're a crutch unit for Pan-O. Didn't expect that... Hac Tao sees about as much or a little more use as Oniwaban did for vanilla pre-Uprising (around 25% of lists across all profiles), but Swiss is up at levels of Guilang (36% for Guilang FO, 32% for Swiss HMG).

Yeah, I wouldn't call those Bao sculpts "current". They're tiny compared to even some of the last non-digital sculpts and more on par with the old Celestial Guard that have all been replaced, but, frankly, the miniatures aren't quite as good as particularly the old CG Hacker.

 

Yeah, this is pretty much why the Hac Tao is on my list. I didn't know the Swiss Guard is the copy cat unit, but the two are just very similar. To be fair, YJ should be the ones having a TO HI by all rights, but I can't see them deleting the Swiss Guard. I agree It's not very likely, bit if my goal was to diversify the factions for N4, one of the two had to go.

 

This is how I understand seminar news as well.

I'd would also add Kanren to the axed profile list. I mean fluff wise they failed pretty bad during the uprising.
As I understand most of the operation boxes will be discontinued, so since the "new" ninja sculpt will no longer be available, YJ might loose our shadow warriors as well.

 

We, YuJing players were playing the Hac Tao months before PanO got the Swiss Guard. The premise at the beginning was PanO is the TAG specialist and YJ the HI expert. And while I must admit PanO had a very hard time during the beginnings of N1 (only the Squalo as their TAG, no smoke, no MSV2) the release of the rulebook and therefore their full roster gave them not only three new uber TAGs (Cutter, Dragoes and Jottums) but also the Aquila Guard and, what I will always will consider an error from a game design perspective, the Swiss Guard. In any other game the logic would be PanO => TAGs => get TO TAG, YuJing => HIs => get TO HI. I would have even been fine if at least the Swiss Guard didn't have access to the missile launcher.

Anyway. I don't think PanO is going to lose the SG, but if it comes to eliminating mirror units, which I don't think will happen; the Hac Tao is the original unit and an exponent of the identity of YJ in their field of expertise. And with HT having 2 exculpts and being a unit featured in Invincible and probably making into WB too, meanwhile Neoterra will go OOP. In the theoretical case one of them had to go, no matter how much of a crutch unit is for PanO players (it's their faul for relying so much on it as it was never meant to be part of their identity unlike the TAGs they have ignored and despised so much ), the one to go would be the SG, indeed. Actually it would make sense if it doesn't make the cut into CodeOne PanO roster.

 

Swiss Guard is also a literal copy cat. As in, supposedly Hexahedron stole the designs of the Hac Tao.

In either case, Code One is meant to be the "essentials". If you had to cut Yu Jing down to, let's say, 10 SKU - what would those be?

Bostria already mentioned that the Pan-O REMs would be essential units, so presumably Yaoxie and Yakong will be two of those SKU and presumably the four starts will be, too.

 

If I were to pick 10 units it would be:
-zhanshi
-tiger soldier
-zuyong
-shaolin monk
-crane imperial agent/hsien
-guilang
-lu duan (it suits YJ versitility better than rui shi)
-yan huo
-zhanying/celestal guard
-sun tze

 

The Hac Tao was on the cover of the N3 core book, its not going anywhere.

I wouldn't be surprised if Yu Jing escaped the trimming, after all they're coming into N4 "pre-trimmed" by Uprising. If anything there'll be a shakeup to some loadouts (like Tiger Soldiers swapped their HMGs for Spitfires in N2>N3)

 

10 SKU is just me spitballing something. I just realized this is the wrong thread for this, let's move that over to the correct thread.