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should kappas get a riotstopper option?

Discussion in 'O-12' started by dhellfox, Jan 20, 2020.

  1. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    between building lists and comments on the forum kappas aren't high on viable choices outside SWC units. (compared to dakini remotes and varangans)
    should they get an option to add a light riotstopper to their combi and/or a heavy riotstopper and some other short range weapon?
     
  2. ZlaKhon

    ZlaKhon New scale enthusiast

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    In short: no, at least not in N3. That would break the mold of inter faction balancing as much as e.g. giving Fusiliers flamers.
     
  3. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    can you elaborate further to help me understand the perspective?
    usariadna line (well garrison) troops can take heavy flamethrowers and it can get insane when you go sectorial. and the AVA 4 varagans all can be chainguns at the same as kappa stock.

    i don't expect the riot choice to be the same price as stock but still be enticing for a line choice
     
  4. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    While it would be a novel concept with Kappas running around with Riotstoppers, and certainly a more powerful use of the 1 point that Shock Immunity costs them, I do have to ask; why, though? Why are Kappas in any worse position than Celestial Guards, Line Kazaks or Alguaciles whom are also sidelined in their vanilla faction by options that are cheaper or with more useful range of tools?
     
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  5. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    ok good point, only ever took line kazaks as cheapest order monkeys/ link buffers

    edit: derp higlanders have cheaper 6 point units
     
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  6. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    Actually don't see why not. Considering Nox Zappers, Naffatun, CSUs and Grunts exist and 5+ points Warbands for DZ defense are a thing anyway.
    Would be entirely okay in Vanilla O-12. Only "problem" will be when they eventually get a Sectorial with a Kappa Core Link option.
    A DTW adds a lot of utility and any sort of Riotstopper is plenty potent without Sixth Sense and B2.
     
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  7. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Riotstopper on the Combi armed models would be similar to the Nox, keep it off the Hacker and HMG/ML/etc.
     
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  8. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    CB could do the same thing like usaraidna infiltration flamers and put a line of text that they cant fireteam with the option

    i would envision the riot choices are meant to be a entirely separate options from the specialized roles.
     
  9. Bruno Braga

    Bruno Braga Well-Known Member

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    I can easily see Kappas having a profile dedicated to having Combi + Light Right Stopper and even naming it "Kappa Crowd Control Unit" or something of the sort. I feel like it would fit the flavor of O-12 quite well. However, with us already having 5 different profiles with access to the Riotstopper (be it light or heavy) I can see why we wouldn't get a sixth.

    Especially considering how much people seem to hate our Riotstoppers.
     
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  10. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    how will 0-12 get all their d-charges kills? hahaha
     
  11. Kreslack

    Kreslack Unknown Ranger lead the way!

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    They still have a non infiltration light shotgun+heavy flamer Grunt profile that costs less points and no SWC and can join links.
     
  12. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    as much as i love the weapons one could make the case that a riotstopper -6 phys rolls are more dangerous than usariadna flamers.
     
  13. Bruno Braga

    Bruno Braga Well-Known Member

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    As my one friend put it, it's equivalent to having a ranged monofilament weapon. Being IMM-2 might as well be equivalent to being dead for a lot of armies, even if they're still generating an order.
     
  14. Kreslack

    Kreslack Unknown Ranger lead the way!

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    Anyone that has multiple wounds/structure it's a one shot kill. I'll take a roughly 50/50 to one shot a rampaging TAG.

    Those things are gonna be gross on linked Omegas. 10 inches of pure and literal stopping power.
     
  15. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Ehhh.... depends on who you ask.

    Ask any player; sure.
    Ask the tournament score board; not even close.

    If you didn't glue a single Kriza and a single Zero FO, it's very real possibility all those orders spent Riotstopping the rest of their army were straight up wasted. A regular order's value is not dependent on the gear the trooper carries, but the gear the fully functional troopers are carrying, so if the glued trooper is a Kaung Shi or Keisotsu - well, they are there to provide orders and you haven't taken their role from them... It's a good thing the first unit to get glued usually is McMurrough, though :D
     
  16. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    Kappa with Riotstopper? There is one. The SpecOp.
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  17. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    haha now that is awsome!
     
  18. konuhageruke

    konuhageruke Well-Known Member
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    Now that is interesting. HRiotstopper is worth 3p?
     
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