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Theorizing the Omega Unit

Discussion in 'O-12' started by Bruno Braga, Dec 13, 2019.

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Which is your prefered HI weapons platform?

  1. Omega Unit

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  2. Gamma Unit

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  3. Betatrooper

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  1. Bruno Braga

    Bruno Braga Well-Known Member

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    (A slow day at work means I can upload another Theorizing thread!)

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    So the Omega Unit...

    I definitely have an interesting relationship with them. When I first saw the profile I was somewhat unimpressed by the lack of any special skills (Peacekeeper barely counts) however I think it's safe to say that I have come around on them.

    Overall we're looking at a solid and durable guns platform that comes standard packed with ODD. He lacks the heavier armor of the Gamma Unit and its extra burst on the HMG, however I believe he makes up for that with the smaller silhouette and most importantly with his ODD. We're looking at (against non-MSV units) a -9 modifier being impossed on enemy troppers if he's safely behind cover. On top of that, he's also going to be adding +7 to his ARM roll when and if he does get shot back. So while he can't tank a hit as well as a Gamma Unit, he's a lot harder to hit.

    • HMG
      My first go-to profile is always the HMG. It's quite hard to say no to a BS 14 HMG. Odds are you'll be hitting most things on 14s (+3 for range and -3 for cover) and this should usually be enough to carry you through most gunfights. If you're not dealing with a trooper in Suppresive Fire the HMG will be able to handle it.
      Any loadout you take will give you access to Suppresive Fire as well. This lets you park him up in the middle of the board and force a cheeky -12 against your opponnent for shooting you (-6 from ODD, -3 from Cover, and -3 from SP) and this will really give you an edge in AROs. Probably making the Omega Unit one of the better ARO pieces in our army.
    • Multi Rifle + Heavy Riotstopper (+- TinBot A)
      At first the shorter range bands of the Multi Rifle might put you off from this loadout, however in my experience, even shooting at a -3 range still works quite well thanks to the elite BS on the Omega Unit. This loadout also gives you access to AP, Shock, and DA ammo types (ignoring Stun because it's rarely ever relevant) and all 3 of these ammo types can be crazy useful when going into a match blind and not knowing what to expect.
      A relevant aspect to all of these loadouts is the lack of an SWC cost involved, which is great if you're wanting to bring along some high SWC troops.
      The other really amazing upside to this profile is the Heavy Riotstopper. What's to say that hasn't been said about DTW Adhesive weapons. The PH-6 roll to save from it is just insane and in my experience, when they fail the PH roll, they tend to really hate having a high value target glued down and rendered quite useless.
      The Forward Observer option is crazy good! A high WIP make the Flash Pulse quite useful and can give it a great ARO against units further away than the good range band for the Multi Rifle. Having such a highly durable specialist will be amazing as well and he'll definitely get the job done at killing and pushing buttons.
      Whether you bring a TinBot option is whether you have the spare points or not and how relevant sneaky hackers are in your meta.
    So overall the Omega is a great model and unit. There's definitely an arguement to be had on who's the better gunfighter between the Omega and the Gamma Units, but both have their merits for sure.
     
  2. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    The FO makes for a great Liason Officer/Datatracker IMO. He can complete a lot of classifieds too! I forget how many exactly but with FO, Veteran Classification and HI you can do many.
     
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  3. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    at the moment in model choices, if the HMG had a light riotstopper it would be more appealing over the gamma or even an epsilon.

    you would think a unit named Omega would be a bit more finality in its skills and equipment choices.
     
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    Solar Well-Known Member

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    The HMG is already a BS 14 HMG with ODD and 2 W, which is pretty awesome.
     
  5. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    other than the ODD the gamma has roughly the same stats or better along with NWI and full auto L1, there would be even less choice once defiance expansions are released.
     
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  6. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    He's much smaller, can shoot TR REMs at -12 and due to ODD he's got a very significantly higher chance (57% vs 49%) of wounding stuff like a Mk2 Proxy as well as a significantly lower risk (9% vs 18%) of taking a wound in the process. Not to mention a significantly better ARO.

    Against targets with MSV1 you need to evaluate whether NWI (and the resulting lowered spikeyness in chance) is worth having slightly worse odds than Omega, but we're talking that the Omega is 5% to 10% better here, not 20% to 50% better.

    So what the Gamma has going for it is being able to be LT and being able to overpower Kamau and Brawler snipers better, and a better close range due to Heavy Pistol, but that's a bit of a niche. And being cooler looking, of course.
     
  7. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    The Omega vs Gamma debate basically comes down to; what do you personally find appeals to you more and works better for you and the list you want to take, which is pretty cool.
     
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  8. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    I'm a bit confused here on an MSV 1 affect on a gamma's odds that has no CH: equipment though i see the threat to an epsilon hmg.

    from what i notice within the circles i play in, every non-Ariadna and their dog fields at least 1 msv2 unit.

    the rest of the notes are solid. but a gamma of epsilon hmg are more appealing choices to me atm
     
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    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    still wish the hmg omega had a light riot stopper XD
     
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Because it's a comparison between Omega and Gamma. If you have both in roughly the same location and you need to take care of a Guilang Sniper, the Omega will have roughly 8% better odds than the Gamma. Against an MSV2 unit, the Gamma is better, of course, and yes the game is kind of gravitating towards keeping only a single MSV2 unit with their head peeking out at long range.
     
  11. D_acolyte

    D_acolyte Well-Known Member

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    I feel if you want a HMG or Spitfire the Omega vs Beta debate comes down to local meta and preference and outside of HI there are other good options for this as well.
    I tend to like the Gamma because he can bring some real AP punch to the force and is hard to remove for the standard ARO models I see (MSV models or MSR TO models). Also I just imagine him walking around crushing the skulls of his enemies under foot as he goes.
    The best specialist among the 3 is the Omega FO, survivable and combat capable.

    I want an Omega missile launcher.
     
  12. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Have you tried the Beta Doctor or KHD? Excellent weapons for taking care of skrimishers in elevated positions that other troopers can't get to and far superior specialist type over a Forward Observer.

    I haven't quite been able to make a list containing an Omega FO that I'm fond of yet, simply because there's too many points sunk into a short-range HI, but I've been meaning to try putting Red Furies on Sirius (because they've felt like wet paper bags that only push buttons so far) so there might be an opening.
     
  13. D_acolyte

    D_acolyte Well-Known Member

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    Yes and they have there place. Mostly if you are going to play by running on top of buildings. I run the KHD with a Zeta tag and another Beta troop spitfire. My only real issue is if you want them to fight then there weapons to short a range for anything but bunker busting but most of the time I do not want my specialist to fight. It comes down to a mobility vs survivablity question. HI specialists are a point sink but I went O 12 because of the HI and TAG so I justify them that way.

    I have the beta doctor in a 2 gamma list...... I did say I was here for the HI.

    Side not gluing most of a fire team is very fun.
     
  14. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    Personally, I think the Omega is a really cool HI platform.
    It's simple, comparable in that regard to the much-maligned Orcs/Brigadas/Suryats/Shang-Jis/you-get-the-point, except that it gets ODD on top, which is pretty huge.
    It's a tiny bit subtler than a Gamma, what with being smaller and not as thick, but I'd say the Omega is a nice mace to the Gammas sledgehammer.

    Makes for a pretty competent specialist with that FO profile: a specialist that can clear their own path to the objective is always nice in my books.
    Although I would say that I'd still prefer Betatroopers for a specialist choice: cheaper, better specialist variety, more mobile and still competent enough to brute force their way onto an objective if need be.

    I mean, I'd say they make for some neat options when making a list.
    There's roles they can certainly fill.
    Got some speedy specialists, some midfield starters, a decent Lieutenant IMO, a nice sniper ( I still have no idea how the Epsilon is cheaper than a Nisse. ) for some nice sightline abuse... all that's missing is a competent gun and you're set, really, and Omegas count as competent guns.

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    OMEGA HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 48)
    EPSILON MULTI Sniper, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    OMEGA (Forward Observer) MULTI Rifle + Heavy Riotstopper / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 46)
    BETATROOPER Doctor (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, 2 Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 37)
    BETATROOPER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    OKO Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    OKO Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    SIRIUS (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)

    3.5 SWC | 298 Points

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    Or take the smartest possible approach: take both at once! :D
     
  15. Bruno Braga

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    O-12
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    GAMMA HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 57)
    GAMMA HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 57)
    OMEGA HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 48)
    LYNX (Specialist Operative) Plasma Carbine, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    SIRIUS (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    LAMBDA Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    CHO Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, 2 Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, 2 Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 13)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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  16. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    I like the way you think
     
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    Bruno Braga Well-Known Member

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    It gets even better when you can disguise Cho as a second Omega HMG!
     
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    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    I always thought disguising her as a Cyberghost would be fun, especially with a Siriusbot or two upfield.

    "Aight, I'm gonna bring up this KHD to kill your hacker an- whaddyameanitisaholoprojector?"
     
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    hahaha this is hilarious!
     
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  20. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    I've struggled pretty hard to fit the Omega in, and when I've used him (or had him used against me), the results have generally underwhelmed.
    Really wanna like the guy - the model is fantastic
     
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