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Maestro and Concurrent ARO's

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Kaveman, Dec 5, 2019.

  1. Kaveman

    Kaveman New Member

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    do you have a link to these previous discussions because I haven't seen any real "debunking" of the idea in this thread just alternate interpretations of the sequence.
     
  2. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    IIRC they were on the old forum, so no... there's no link. I do remember, however, coming down on the other side last time, though I can't recall if I previously gave any weight to the "lose all wounds" part of the skill. Additionally, there should be no "sequence" since all things happen simultaneously. The point of contention as I see it is whether "lose all wounds" is the ultimate intention of the skill or if it's just "goes unconscious" and losing all wounds is just a necessary way to get there.
     
  3. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    Except of course in this post:
    Maestro and Concurrent ARO's
     
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  5. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    Yes, making a statement that this is a resolved issue which other posters have explained correctly.
    Your wilful amnesia isn’t my problem dude.
     
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  6. Hecaton

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    Nah, IJW's statement isn't the same thing as rules.
     
  7. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    FFS. When have you ever been correct when you’ve argued against him? According to the rules, I mean, not merely in your own opinion.
     
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  8. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    No, but at times it’s been fun to watch!
     
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  9. Hecaton

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    Plenty of times. A good example would be how pre-errata Sixth Sense worked, or whether or not Smoke Grenades count as an attack.
     
  10. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    FTFY
     
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  11. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Oh, look at that, you don't have the actual ability to show that I'm wrong so you're reduced to misquoting me. At least I can be comfortable that the tournament scene over here in the US ignores IJW's dumber ideas (like Smoke grenades not being attacks).
     
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    Willen Well-Known Member

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    So in your meta you do not throw smoke with the templates touching your models?
    Just curious.
     
  13. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I agree with IJW that the rules explicitly state smoke is not an attack (poorly state this, but explicitly), but there's an official FAQ that states Nimbus and Smoke and Smoke derivatives may touch friendlies.
     
  14. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Don’t give him too much credit.
     
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    Have you ever done a Move + Smoke order in the Impetuous phase?
     
  16. Willen

    Willen Well-Known Member

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    How does that answer the question? You are just being snarky and pretending to know better by not answering?

    Thanks @Mahtamori , at least that is an answer.
     
  17. Hecaton

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    My point is that if Smoke isn't an attack, then you can't use it as the "Attack" part of a "Move + Attack" Impetuous order. But everyone does this; I bet IJW does as well.
     
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  18. Kaveman

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    No intent to get into the giant argument that occurred above however, I don't know who IJW is and i'm not sure why their opinion constitutes any rebuttal against the points raised. If you could fill me in on who this is that would be greatly appreciated :).
     
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    IJW is one of the rules tested and maintains the Wiki. Over a long period of time the standard for settling rules debates on the forum has pretty much settled on: FAQ > [Solved] Answer by Hellois (CB staff) > IJW > RAW.

    IJW providing an answer doesn't entirely stop debate, but it provides enough of answer for most people to get on with.
     
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  20. Kaveman

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    thank you very much for clearing that up. I appreciate the he's a tester but, I'm probably still gunna wait for a staff member or FAQ before i find any resolution definitive
     
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