Why not make her something dangerous "hold down" a fire lane with something else dangerous and hide the SWC in a drop troop or TO troop? I would only bring her as CoC as the other Lt. Choices are better
They are good but also much more expensive. Cho is 15pts, 0 SWC and brings her own protection against identification as the Lt. Absolutely I can see myself hiding CoC Cho as an Epsilon HMG, fully hidden and in a counter attack position. A threat they can't ignore that forces them to consider what troops will be on ARO next turn very carefully. If your opponent has an Epsilon HMG for example you don't want to leave your Hac Tao or whatever with their head above the parapet. It forces them down so that your own troops can advance and complete the mission.
Cho CoC + a Delta Spitfire = Betatrooper Spitfire if you keep 2 points and 1 SWC margin Cho CoC + Lynx MSR = Omega HMG if you keep 3 points and 0.5 SWC margin
What about using Cho as a COC for Zeta Lt? Also why don't you use Cho as an Epislon HMG (deployed prone) to force deployment pressures from the enemy to force their impetuous warbands into taking the path leading into the real Episolon HMG (also deployed pronee)?
Exactly Feigh the threat to make them keep their head down in a way sort of protects Lieutenant doubly. Without Fireteams I'm think Alpha is the best It. It needs protected but with Cho CoC nothing to lose... I'm just now getting into O-12 so all of this is great info
Gonna reactivate the thread and throw an interesting thing at you: Annihilacione/unmasking/supremacy ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 2 CHO Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) OMEGA HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 48) LYNX (Specialist Operative) Plasma Carbine, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30) EPSILON HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30) SIRIUS Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Submachine Gun + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25) SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5) GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21) VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) FUZZBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) GROUP 2 5 LYNX MULTI Sniper, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) OKO Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17) KAPPA Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) LAMBDA Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16) YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) 5.5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army Now, that's a list I plan on taking for a spin during a tournament in Poland - the missions are in the title, and Cho is the lt. However, I plan on doing some shenanigans - there's also a single Kappa there. Have Cho disguise as either a Kappa hacker (makes him more believable with 9 orders in group 1, cause of lynx specialist) or as a plain Kappa - this forces your opponent into figuring out who the real Kappa is lol I'm not a super experienced player (which I'm also going to make known, as this is true), which would make Kappa an even more probable LT option (rookie mistake, eh?) - holo projector is, after all, all about mind games, right? lol Do you think this makes sense? The addition of a single Kappa doesn't mess with the list too much I'd say, and it may really throw some opponents off, which might give me an edge
Depends on how much you expect your opponent to deconstruct your list. If they do it fully they will realize there's a bit over 60 points and 2 SWC missing. Taken together with an almost complete lack of ARO pieces and how everything else is staple they're either suspecting a Lynx Sniper and that there's a Lynx plasma or Razor FO on the table and together with 6,5 expected SWC makes the Hacker Cho. -or-, what you're betting on, is that your opponent thinks you don't have a Lynx sniper and that you're holding a Delta with Spitfire back along with a Razor/PlasLynx/2ndDelta. While that list is possible, it is fairly uncommon unless you've made a name for yourself as an avid AD user (as one O-12/Varuna/etc player in my meta has) so I think a player who bothers deconstructing is going to go for the accurate guess 9 out of 10. A player who doesn't deconstruct is going to take one look at your list and go "no Dakini, no Peeler, that's Cho" and regardless if they think COC or LT Cho, she'll be a target as if she wasn't disguised.
What about Cho CoC within the context of the very obvious Saladin LT (V.2?), who appears to be joining O-12 when Defiance is released? I can see her disguised as another Saladin to turn your opponent's alpha strike into a gamble, especially when they are relying on a single piece like Oniwaban/Kitsune/Speculo/Fiday etc. Even if they get it right and kills Saladin, CoC will still kick in to keep you out of LoL. I also like the idea to have her double as a Betatrooper Specialist, who can be reasonably expected to stay tucked away in a corner the first turns and act as a late game button presser. He is also a rather annoying target to take out, effectively dodging on 15s with Mimetism and STR 2 as well as 2 Nanopulsers to greet anyone unfortunate enough to get close.
I honestly think having an Alpha if you can afford it is likely better than disguising Cho as Saladin. Alpha will bring Counterintelligence and be a 40-40 against assassins instead of Cho's 7-85 (estimated chances, not researched), but those 9 points can matter a lot.
And the Alpha doesn't grant you the chance of having Saladin survive in the first place. It's a very interesting profile in itself, though.
Mahtamori, interesting points, deffo didn't consider my opponents deconstructing my list that much, tho it completely makes sense that they would, esp on a bigger tournament. Do you think there's any point in taking Cho as of now, with so few viable holo options? Would swapping Cho for Alpha and getting rid of Kappa make more sense in this case? In the end it's pretty much the same thing, except you have a very obvious LT and, if he goes down, you lose 2 orders instead of one. The list would be sth like this: Annihilacione/unmasking/supremacy ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 2 ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26) OMEGA HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 48) LYNX (Specialist Operative) Plasma Carbine, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30) EPSILON HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30) SIRIUS Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Submachine Gun + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25) SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5) GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21) VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) FUZZBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) GROUP 2 5 LYNX MULTI Sniper, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) OKO Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17) KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) LAMBDA Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16) YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) 5.5 SWC | 298 Points Open in Infinity Army
In short, yes. Vanilla currently works in a way that there's few serious options for her to masquerade as. O-12 has a strong use for all of their troops, the faction isn't designed to have a cheerleader at all! So anything that doesn't do anything, that just sits back, and so on will be flagged immediately by the end of your first round - if your opponent is at all bothered to look for it. That said, just duplicate on appropriate model and count on the delay. I had a game where an opponent got convinced that one of my Epsilons was Cho simply because two Epsilon is uncommon, and then got confused about who Cho was when it started actually shooting its HMG. Delaying an assassination run for just one turn gives you enough room to blunt it and if you go for CoC Cho, then you might even push for your opponent to not bother. So, it might be better to just be blatant about it, make a list that says "there's a Cho in here, but you don't know exactly which one of my models it is" than trying to tailor a list that says "there's no Cho at all!". Going back to the list I was originally commenting on; maybe Cho should be the Kappa that's desperately trying to pretend they're an LT?
Yeah, thought about this as well, I'll see how these lists fare against my local opponents - thanks for the advice, I'll deffo take it into account!:D
