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Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by KreoL, Nov 24, 2017.

  1. KreoL

    KreoL Well-Known Member

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    I read couple times new FAQ, and I have really big problem with new shock amo. I think it should works same for all models, with Valor level 2-3. No matter how many wounds they have. Equilibrium. I didn't see models with 2+Wo&NWI get 1-2 less points cheaper from that faq.

    More and more models and guns get shock/viral amo, and NWI models don't get cheaper.

    Best Regards
    KreoL
     
  2. Belgrim

    Belgrim Well-Known Member

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    I’m still trying to understand what this new rule really does...
     
  3. Cervantes3773

    Cervantes3773 Rogue AI
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    I was in the same boat with you until I talked it out with some friends, so... I'll take a stab at it.

    Shock ammo does the following special stuff:
    1. If you have 1 wound value on your profile and you fail an ARM check against shock, you bypass Unconscious and go straight to dead.
    2. It cancels the effects of V:Dogged, V:NWI, and the SpawnEmbryo part of the Shasvastii skill.


    If you have an STR value, or Shock Immunity, or Bio-Immunity, you treat Shock ammo as Normal ammo.

    Normal ammo has NONE of the special effects of Shock. Normal ammo doesn't cause you to bypass Unconscious and Normal ammo doesn't ignore V:Dogged, V:NWI, or the SpawnEmbryo part of the Shasvastii skill.

    So that's why troopers with Shock Immunity, Bio-Immunity, or STR completely ignore each and every effect of Shock. It's simply not Shock ammo to them.

    But those troopers with 2+ Wounds and Dogged, NWI, etc?

    If you have a Wounds value of 2+, whether because your profile started with 2+ wounds, or because you used some fancy schmancy skill to consume the flesh of your enemies in an terrifying, yet highly effective battlefield tactic... then the part about Shock where if it makes you go to zero Wounds, you bypass Unconscious and go straight to Dead does not apply to you.

    HOWEVER, the part about Shock ignoring V:Dogged, V:NWI, and the SpawnEmbryo part of the Shasvastii skill still applies to you.

    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Shock_Special_Ammunition

    I hope that helps.
     
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  4. Belgrim

    Belgrim Well-Known Member

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    @Cervantes3773 So what happes if i unit with shock ammo shoots at my Hector (2 wounds + V:NWI) and does 1 dmg or 2 dmg respectively?
     
  5. GuanYunChang

    GuanYunChang 二哥

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    The way I read it:

    If Hector takes 1 damage from shock ammunition then he will have 1 wound left. It seems a bit unclear if taking that shock damage will cancel his Valor skill, or if it's only when it removes his last wound. I personally think the second option is more likely but have no grounds for it.

    If Hector takes 2 damage from shock ammo then he will be unable to activate V:NWI and will fall unconscious. But not dead.
     
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  6. berynius

    berynius Well-Known Member

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    If Hector suffers 1 wound nothing more happens... he now have only 1 wound

    If Hector suffers 2 wound he goes unconscious. As he is a model with a 2 wound stat line he does not die immediately however as he as hit by a shock weapon he cannot activate V:NWI and goes unconscious.
     
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  7. Belgrim

    Belgrim Well-Known Member

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    I am embarrassed now cause that is the way I have been playing it since I started infinity. What was different before this new faq rule?
     
  8. berynius

    berynius Well-Known Member

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    Good for you I actually think it make more sense like this... also now it mirrors Viral ammo
     
  9. Sora9785

    Sora9785 Well-Known Member

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    Is viral official? Last that i know, it was still discussed
     
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  10. Pietras404

    Pietras404 Active Member

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    No, I didn't see this ruling yet. For now those work differently I believe.
     
  11. Melkhior

    Melkhior Doing filthy things for EI

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    Viral ammo has different wording:

    A target of Viral Special Ammunition that enters the Dead state directly, bypassing the Unconscious state, cannot activate the Spawn-Embryo, V: Dogged, or V: No Wound Incapacitation states.

    Emphasis added by me.
    And this is IMHO clear that HI with NWI can normally activate it, because they cannot be killed directly by viral.
     
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  12. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    The problem with the FAQ entry is that it doesn't mirror Viral. :disappointed:
     
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  13. berynius

    berynius Well-Known Member

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    Ups... I think i just focused on the last part of the red square in the Viral wiki entry that I did not stop to think that it would only aplly to one wound models.
     
  14. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Exactly. And those two red boxes are supposed to mean the exact same thing.

    Someone on the rules team has a cargo cult-level understanding of what's going on.
     
  15. Robock

    Robock Well-Known Member

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    before the FAQ there had been a CB approved answer that multi-wound gave you whole immunity to shock effects (all of them - effectively, the same as someone who already have Shock Immunity). With the FAQ, you are only immune to a portion of shock list of effects.
     
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