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Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Azuset, Aug 17, 2019.

  1. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    FTFY. Indeed, the idea is that the skill itself has to specifically call it out, like with Sixth Sense. The "No-LoF" label is not enough to generate an ARO.
     
  2. Whyrocknodie

    Whyrocknodie Well-Known Member

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    No, I specifically meant the first bullet point. That is, that having No LOF as a label doesn't mean you count that bullet point as triggered.
     
  3. Azuset

    Azuset Well-Known Member

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    Yup that is confusing. But what makes things even more confusing is the THIRD bullet point that no one wants to acknowledge.

    • It has a Special Skill or piece of Equipment allowing reaction to enemy actions without LoF.
    If a skill that has a label No-LOF (which means you can use the skill without line of fire) won't trigger this condition. What does trigger it?
     
  4. Whyrocknodie

    Whyrocknodie Well-Known Member

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    Reset is not a Special Skill, it's a Common Skill. That bullet point comes into play with pieces of Equipment like a Hacking Device if an opposing trooper activates somewhere near your repeater (for example), or using Hack Transport Aircraft. Special Skills are things like Sixth Sense.
     
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  5. Azuset

    Azuset Well-Known Member

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    Man, thank you. That solves that problem. This was the only line that was continuing to trip me up.
     
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  6. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    And that's why I assumed they meant the third bullet point in their previous post. Apologies for misunderstanding.
     
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  7. BishopWraith

    BishopWraith New Member

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    EDIT: It didn't show me the updates on the thread when I posted this. LOL

    Just talked to WhyRock about this on Discord.

    Azuset... it took a bit to figure out where the disconnect was, but here it is:

    • It has a Special Skill or piece of Equipment allowing reaction to enemy actions without LoF.
    Reset is a Common Skill, not a Special.
     
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  8. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    I have a question on Reset too, even if not related about the initial question:
    Is the FtF really required to have the possibility to fail the Guts roll or can I do this if it is a normal roll too?
     
  9. Azuset

    Azuset Well-Known Member

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    Are you asking about just being able to Reset without a ftf roll from ARO or using Reset as a short skill in the active turn?

    Here are the requirements for a Guts check.

    Requirements
    Several events can force a troop to make a Guts Roll:

    If you are not being attacked you cant make a Guts check.

    If you do take a Reset in response to an attack and succeed you would avoid the attach. Therefore you would not meet the requirements of a guts roll because you are not taking an ARM or BTS roll.

    I would say the answer to your question is No. You may not fail a guts roll in this instance because you are not taking a guts check at all.
     
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  10. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    Check what says Reset and you'll see that winning the FtF with Reset lets you fail your Guts Roll too.
     
  11. Azuset

    Azuset Well-Known Member

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    Your question was about not using a FTF roll right?
     
  12. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    My question was about can I still use this if it's not a FtF roll like you can use SSL1 even if you're getting hit by a DTW.
     
  13. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    If you succeed a normal roll you haven't rolled a Face to Face roll, so the answer to your question is no. Reset rules trigger Guts only on Face to Face rolls, not normal rolls.
     
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  14. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    Thank you
    I asked because, with the precedent that the SSL1-2 created, I prefered to be sure.
     
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