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Yu Jing in N4

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by psychoticstorm, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    As noted, it’s explicitly stated, in the second sentence of her description.
     
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  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    She was human during the period Aristeia! was set and "uploaded" into a Posthuman between then and the current Infinity present.
     
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  3. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Yes, but she's not exactly the same thing was "Posthumans" in the Infinity Army roster.
     
  4. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Posthuman Proxies (unit) =/= Posthumans (fluff concept)

    Dart's mind is uploaded to the Cloud, but she's not necessarily in possession of either the clearance or raw resources to run multiple bodies at once. Or her gameplay profile is segregated from her fluff capabilities.

    Either way, I think we need to concentrate on what really matters here: Fuck Dart, she's dumb and overpowered/undercosted.
     
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  5. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

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    Since YJ is now clearly HI Command and Control, some 'lackies only' skills like Counterintelligence or so loaded on HIs wouldnt hurt. Bring us back our concept!
     
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  6. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Don't most aleph players (I could have got the wrong message there) consider Dart fairly average and not an auto-pick though? i'm not convinced I'd take her in vanilla yu jing to be honest.
     
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  7. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    She's a very potent element in Acontecimento, where she slots as a counter-skirmisher-skirmisher in alongside Nagas and Peacemakers to give a very well rounded midfield presence. Well worth the points you pay for her, despite being more expensive than either of those other pieces.
     
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  8. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    That would be an incorrect assumption. I've spent time going through literally entire event worths of lists taken to satellites, the very common AHDs mostly include:

    • NA2 with Brawlers
    • OSS/Aleph Proxies
    • Haqq/StarCo Al Hawwa
    • NCA Deva AHD (players have been favouring it almost as hard as we favour Guilangs and more than the Aleph players)
    • Nomads/Tunguska Mary Problems
    There are less common AHDs that still crop up too, our Guilang is one of those for example. Zoe's also technically not an AHD but she's a common occurrence and her upgraded Stop! is a pretty strong ARO program against any HI without stealth.

    The amount of hacking varies between events for sure but if you're assuming that it doesn't get taken then I can only conclude you haven't really been paying attention because from looking at the lists being taken it's definitely showing up.


    As someone else has already pointed out wasting a bunch of orders F2F rolling resets or even just eating Gotcha on a normal roll and getting stuck is a bad thing for the Liu Xing.

    Funny you mention the Garuda, there's a reason ISS favours the non shotgun profiles. I'll let you try to figure out why that is.


    If your opponent is letting you goomba stomp their hackers (or trivially delete or avoid them) then they need to reevaluate their deployment strategies because as previously said on the topic:

    You're gonna get attacked by HI at some point, respond accordingly to the threat.

    Back on actually fixing the Liu Xing, if all N4 did was enhance the Liu Xing's AD to level 5 I'd be largely ok with that. One the main problems with the unit is he's pretty expensive which is a big detriment when comparing him to the other drop troops available, but he's a model that's designed to go for broke with the drop rolls. If there wasn't such a huge kick in the balls for failing that drop roll he wouldn't feel nearly so bad. It would give him a pretty good argument to be taken on missions like Decapitation that have the enlarged deployment zones, failing an aggressive drop then just popping up on the 16" line with a spitfire wouldn't feel like much of a loss. It would also really assist in differentiating the Liu Xing from Tigers.
     
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  9. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I mean I sure would. Vanilla Yu Jing with a Daofei, 2 Guilangs, a Zencha, and Dart plus possible Ninjas? That is not a fun mid field to try and clear out.
     
  10. valukr

    valukr Well-Known Member

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    Sorry if this is an echo. I've not read the prior responses.

    All i ask is for there to be clear ruling on the Hsien/smoke/madtrap "trick" , smoke/msv2/ZoC "trick" and finally a ruling on the coordinated order smoke/msv2/kuangshi bait "trick"

    Bao troopers

    Cheers
     
  11. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Mission control, I'm coming home.

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    People take all kind of garbage to satellites

    wip 12 brawler sounds like a purely comedy option sorry
    NCA still favors Hexa KHD for rem authorization and takes Deva sensor for veteran classifieds duty and LT roll
    OSS - sniper mk2 is too good and they skip on mk1 in favor of apsaras
    al hawwa is okay but people still take FO more
    Mary Problems is not an optimal choice in either armies she is available in and an object to much mockery

    out of those the only decent one with chance to see table is Zoe and - guess what - you can splat her on a jump and cut their access to assisted fire

    if Liu Xing is as bad as you and some others people in the whine circlejerk pretend then surely a good player wont bother to waste time countering it in deployment, surely they dont expect you to use bad units right?
     
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  12. Knauf

    Knauf Transhumanist

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    As far as the Liu Xing ist concerned, a new model with different loadout would be a great start. Explode LX has so much potential in terms of unique poses (fist smash into the ground with flying debris).
     
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  13. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Mission control, I'm coming home.

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    Oh hell yeah if there ever was a model that needed the three point landing pose its Liu Xing
     
  14. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

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    Looks like the thread should be renamed as 'Liu Xing in N4' :P
     
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  15. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    These are some interesting perspectives. Whereabouts do you play? Some of these I can understand, but right now there's a lengthy discussion over on the PanO forums right now that includes significant and warranted enthusiasm for the Deva AHD.
     
  16. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    I think that CB will not read our ideas for N4 if this thread continues to derail like it has been in the last 4 pages.
     
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  17. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

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    And Posthuman Mk.2 AHD really ruins one's day with WIP 18 Carbonite. AHD should not be underestimated :/
     
  18. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Concur - we have a local that uses them religiously (although you'd never hear me gainsaying the sniper, it's also incredible).
     
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  19. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

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    Back on the topic; Although I think most ideas are came out by now. Is there any design space for further YJ in progress?
     
  20. Ephrilune

    Ephrilune Well-Known Member

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    I really like the idea and as Spec-Ops also get 2-3 points of CC for 1 XP it shouldn't be that unrealistic.

    And what would this change ? AD5 in itself is not really useful. I fit were like Superior Infiltration, giving +3 to your PH roll it would be nice.
    What could help him is a better Explode LX, 12 normal damage is not really great and even line troopers can realativly easy save against. Higher damage or special ammo would be nice.

    I would love a pose like this, not someone stumbling across debris...
     
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