Let's do some completely premature O-12 list building. Essentially I was wondering where two boxes of O-12, a bit of converting, some Aleph troops and a willingness to proxy REMs would take me. Our only LT options at this point seem to be the Gamma, the taxed Kappa and possibly the Deva if their Aleph LT load-outs make it into the list. I want to start out with the Gamma and see how this goes for me. I have seen some very efficient uses of HMG HI LT in Yu Jing and I'd really like to replicate this for O-12 (hoping for some chain of command in the long run though..). I feel one of the bigger problems of O-12 as a vanilla faction might be quality ARO pieces. For this list, I decided to go with a TR bot and an Epsilon MSR as those seem to be the only dedicated pieces for the job at the moment. A Dakini would also be an option, but I think the +9 pts. on the Epsilon are well spend for MSV2 and BS 13. I think the 15 pts. regular Hacking Device might be a really big selling point for O-12 in the future, but without knowing about their REMs in detail I didn't want too many REMs in the list and consequently added only one HD. I put two Gangbusters, one for area denial and mission stuff, one for attacks in case the opponent turtles. Overall, I'd rate the power level of this list as okish. It has all the necessary tools to get the job done, but more specialists including dedicated doctors and engineers really wouldn't hurt. What are your thoughts? What kind of lists would you build if you had to play in a tournament right after the box is released? O-12 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 Epsilon Unit MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30) Epsilon Unit HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30) Gamma Unit Lieutenant Feuerbach / Heavy Pistol. (1.5 | 58) Gangbuster KHD SMG, Madtraps / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21) Gangbuster BSG / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21) Hippolyta Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 38) Delta Unit Doctor (Medikit) BSG / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26) DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) GROUP 2 2 Kappa Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) Kappa Submachine gun, Hacking Device / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 15) 6 SWC | 299 Points
I was also tempted by that choice. I just felt that I'd like more ARO options since I don't want to expose the Gamma LT too much and I'm not overly comfortable with the Epsilon without a doctor to get him back up. But if there is no climbing plus skill on the O-12 remotes to make the TR bot even more mobile than the Dakini HMG, I'd probably try to fit that in at some point. Its my forum avatar after all xD
What's the point of the Gangbuster BSG outside of CB guiding people into buying other profiles as well?
His brain won't be fried by the first enemy KHD to come along if you go second, and infiltrated shotguns have a nice habit of removing whole Fireteams.
I felt pretty torn between the profiles for the second Gangbuster. I also think that two pairs of Madtraps can be very attracktive to disencourage first turn Rambos and considered the combi load-out because of that. But attacking fireteams seemed too important.
It would be way cooler to have at least one of the Gangbuster's profiles (the BSG one) with Basic impersonation due to the fluff of "infiltrating gangs" and so on. Further I'm just assuming here but based on their order in the Faction list: Kyttä = FO-Sensor Bot Peeler = TR Bot Milicent = SML Bot Oko = Flash Pulse Bot Fuzz = Baggage / EVO Bot Lambda Unit = S4-Bot Doctor & Engineer
assuming the MI forward deployment continues to be a thing going forward, i think the epsilon with marksman rifle could be a good piece to use, as well. very good suppression fire piece among other things.
This is 12 order list. In almost every possible way - it's wrong. To be honest, pretending how faction lists will be builded with quarter of the units shown is wasting of time. Gungbuster KHD is a bad choice, it's just sitting duck for camo khd units, with mad traps surrounding it, you can still find angle to attack him without triggering traps (unless you put them all in relatively close positions, which will make him juice target for speculative lgl. Delta doctor not the best choice. We will see some reliable doctors soon, Delta best would be with FO option. He will be able to accomplish a lot of classified objectives and provide serious thread to enemy heavy armored targets with his adhessive riot stopper. Doctor can make - Experimental drug (but you will need drop him around unconscious trooper and waste his assault potential), Inoculation, Follow up. FO - Telemetry, Designation, Sabotage, Follow Up so fo is more optimal choice. By my subjection opinion - your list is weak in general. Can't say much about making it better except throw it away and start again. proxying as hell
Epsilon Sniper - 30pts 1.5 SWC Gamma HMG - 57pts 2 SWC Dakini HMG - 21pts 1 SWC Kappa Hacker - 15pts 0.5 SWC Kappa Combi Rifle - 12pts Gangbuster KHD - 21pts Delta Doctor - 25pts Sensorbot - roughly 16/17pts FObot - 8pts FObot - 8pts That's 10 guys for roughly 213pts. Ideally 3-4 more guys at 29pts/21pts each on average and of course depends on what other stuff can be taken, ideally I'd want an AHD and some sort of marker state guy for the midfield that can get objectives. An engineer would also be very welcome, and if a cheap doctor is available maybe swapping the Delta to the KHD? We do have a wide range of options, specialists and weapons however, which is good, and a solid order base.
If I had to make a list now it would be something like this. There is such limit info on this faction atm that it is hard to make a call as to how effective they will be. Everything that has been shown so far is very super cost effective but generic, I am waiting to see the unit or units that really make the faction unique like post humans, Dart, Kriza, heckler, or Fiday. Group 1 10 regular orders Gangbuster Combi, Riot stopper Maddtraps 23 Gangbuster Combi, Riot stopper Maddtraps 23 Deva Sensor Lt 24 Dakini HMG 21 1 Dakini HMG 21 1 Dakini Paramedic 15 Hippolyta 38 Kappa FO 14 Kappa 12 Epsilon MSP 30 1.5 Kappa Hacker 15 Delta KHD 25 Delta BS 23 FO bot 8 FO bot 8