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Yu Jing Fireteams

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Space Ranger, Jun 12, 2019.

  1. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Since I did it for Dahshat I thought I’d do it for my other forces and then maybe move on to others. With some of the confusion of how they display Fireteams, I’ve come up with a better way to show it. You can see the Dahshat one here.

    Core: Max 5 troops
    Haris: Max 3 troops
    Duo: Max 2 troops

    Note: At least one profile must have the skill Haris or Duo, to form those Freteams.

    Imperial Service
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    Wildcard troops
    Adil Mehmut
    Crane Agents
    Xi Zhuang

    Authorized Bounty Hunter Duo

    1 to 2 Authorized Bounty Hunter
    0 to 1 Miranda Ashcroft
    0 to 1 Father Sforza
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang

    Bao Duo
    1 to 2 Bao
    0 to 1 Pheasant Agent
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang

    Bao Haris
    1 to 3 Bao
    0 to 2 Pheasant Agent
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 2 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang

    Celestial Guard
    1 to 5 Celestial Guard
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 4 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang

    CSU Duo
    1 to 2 CSU
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang

    Crane Agent Haris
    1 to 3 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang

    Deva Haris
    1 to 3 Deva
    0 to 2 Dakini
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 2 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang

    Kuang Shi Core (CG control device needed to take Kuang Shi and must be in same combat group, but not needed in the core)
    1 to 4 Kuang Shi
    1 Celestial Guard
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 3 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang

    Pheasant Duo
    1 to 2 Pheasant Agents
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang

    Su-Jian Duo
    1 to 2 Su-Jian
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang

    Wu Ming Core
    1 to 5 Wu Ming
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 4 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang
    0 to 4 Zhanying

    Wu Ming Duo
    1 to 2 Wu Ming
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang
    0 to 1 Zhanying

    Wu Ming Haris
    1 to 3 Wu Ming
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 2 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang
    0 to 2 Zhanying

    Zhanying Haris
    1 to 3 Zhanying
    0 to 2 Hsien
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Crane Agents
    0 to 1 Xi Zhuang

    Invincible Army
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    Wildcard Troops:
    Captain Gao
    Cheong-Hee Jeong
    Haidao
    Hulang FTO
    Krit Kokram FTO
    Lei Gong
    Shang Ji
    Son Bae
    Tai Sheng
    Yaopu Pangguling

    Hulang Duo

    1 to 2 Hulang
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 1 Haidao
    0 to 1 Krit Kokram FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 1 Yaopu Pangguling FTO

    Guijia Duo
    1 to 2 Gujia
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 1 Haidao
    0 to 1 Hulang FTO
    0 to 1 Krit Kokram FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 1 Yaopu Pangguling FTO

    Shang Ji Core
    1 to 5 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 3 Haidao
    0 to 2 Hulang FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 1 Yaopu Pangguling FTO

    Shang Ji Duo
    1 to 2 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 1 Haidao
    0 to 2 Hulang FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 1 Yaopu Pangguling FTO

    Shang Ji Haris
    1 to 3 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 2 Haidao
    0 to 2 Hulang FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 2 Yaopu Pangguling FTO

    Mowang Duo (One must have Duo Skill)
    1 to 2 Mowang
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 1 Haidao
    0 to 1 Hulang FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 1 Yaopu Pangguling FTO

    Zuyong / Yan Huo Special Haris
    1 Zuyong
    1 to 2 Yan Huo
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 1 Haidao
    0 to 1 Hulang FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 2 Yaopu Pangguling FTO

    Yan Huo Duo
    1 to 2 Yan Huo
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 1 Haidao
    0 to 1 Hulang FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 1 Yaopu Pangguling FTO

    Zhanshi Core
    1 to 4 Zhanshi
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 3 Haidao
    0 to 2 Hulang FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 4 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 2 Yaopu Pangguling FTO

    Zuyong Core
    1 to 5 Zuyong
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 3 Haidao
    0 to 2 Hulang FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 4 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 1 Krit Kokram FTO
    0 to 2 Yaopu Pangguling FTO

    Zuyong Duo
    1 to 2 Zuyong (One must have Duo Skill)
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 1 Haidao
    0 to 1 Hulang FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Yaopu Pangguling FTO
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 1 Krit Kokram FTO

    Zuyong Haris
    1 to 3 Zuyong
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Cheong-Hee Jeong
    0 to 2 Haidao
    0 to 2 Hulang FTO
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 2 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Son-Bae
    0 to 1 Tai Sheng
    0 to 1 Krit Kokram FTO
    0 to 2 Yaopu Pangguling FTO

    White Banner
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    Wildcard Troops:
    Adil Mehmut
    Captain Gao
    Lei Gong
    Shang Ji
    Tian Gou (Max of 1)

    Blue Wolf Duo
    1 to 2 Blue Wolf
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Tian Gou

    Jing Qo Duo
    1 Jing Qo
    0 to 1 Shaolin
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Liang Kai (Counts as Shaolin)
    0 to 1 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Tian Gou

    Jujak Duo
    1 to 2 Jujak
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Tian Gou

    Shaolin Duo
    1 Shaolin
    0 to 1 Jing Qo
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Tian Gou

    Shang Ji Core
    1 to 5 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 4 Jujak
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Tian Gou

    Shang Ji Haris
    1 to 3 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 2 Jujak
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Tian Gou

    Shang Ji Duo
    1 to 2 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Jujak
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Tian Gou

    Zhanshi Core
    1 to 4 Zhanshi
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 4 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Tian Gou

    Ye Mao Haris
    1 to 3 Ye Mao
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 2 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Tian Gou
     
    #1 Space Ranger, Jun 12, 2019
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  2. Forté

    Forté Well-Known Member

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    I'm unsure the Krit/Guija squadron works like that. It's pretty specific that it consists of Krit and a Guija. Where did you see that?
     
  3. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    You can replace Cordelia with Valerya (or Scarface with Valerya) in the Scarface Duo in Druze, because the special note says "Valerya Gromoz can join any Fireteam of the Druze Bayram Security."

    The special note on Shang Ji says "Wildcard Trooper. Up to 1 Shang Ji can join any Fireteam of the Invincible Army." Shang Ji have Duo natively, so they could replace Krit.

    You could also have a Shang Ji+Haidao Duo, Shang Ji replacing Krit and Haidao replacing the Guijia.
     
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  4. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Pheasants can form a regular pure Pheasant Haris

    For accuracy's sake you may also want to specify that it's the LSG Panggolin, and the Wu Ming Duo can't be only one Wu Ming :p
     
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  5. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Actually it would be a Shang Ji Duo with a Wildcard replacing one of the Shang Ji. I'm guessing too that they will follow up the core rule to Haris and Duo at some point that there must be a least one of those troops.

    Thanks. Fixed and also added FTO to Krit.
     
  6. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Well... for the sake of arguing, can you name a single Wildcard with Haris that doesn't also belong to a unit that can natively form a Haris?
    If there is one, then possibly such a rule would mmake sense for Haris. Otherwise the Haris profile would be a potential native model and the remaining two models would either be Wildcards or troopers who can natively form Haris provided one model of the three has the skill.

    The only other alternative would be models like Patsy - Wildcard characters that do not count as their home troop and have the special skill. Applying the ruling to Duo and Haris would negate Kamau + Patsy Duo, but only if you subscribe to the reading that the absense in the Sectorial Army List overrides the line in Duo skill referring to forming Duo with their own unit (in which case Patsy + Patsy would be legal, and thus Patsy + Kamau, if you ever managed to get around the whole character being unique limitation thing)

    So... I wouldn't stress to much about it.
     
  7. Janzerker

    Janzerker Well-Known Member

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    You see, your list format becomes a bit trickier in the case of IA due to wildcards and "count as" classifications

    That required Zuyong haris could be swapped with a ShangJi haris and as long as there's a Yan Huo FTO it would count as the special Zuyong haris with Yan Huo.

    Tai Sheng and Krit Kokram count as Zuyong therefore having either Krit or Tai is enough to fulfil the link requirement of 1 Zuyong.
    For example , the next is a Zuyong haris: ShangJi haris + Krit + Tai Sheng despite your tables wouldn't allow to make such build.
     
  8. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure of all of the interactions yet since I've only looked at Dahshat, Ikari, Shasvastii, and Yu Jing. I’m mainly hoping they clear up some of these issues.
     
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  9. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I know Krit and Tai count as Zuyong but wanted to show them for consistency.

    I took it in the wiki that 1 Zuyong (Fireteam: Haris) mean it must be that. But if consensus is that he can be replaced by a Shang Ji Haris, I’ll change it. I guess they were trying to say the only Zuyong that can be in the Haris is that exact one and no other.
     
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    If the Zuyong Haris can't be replaced, then the two Yan Huo couldn't, either, nor could any of the Zuyong in a pure Zuyong fireteam - defeating the point of wildcards.

    Also the below is a legal Fireteam:

    Invincible Army
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    [​IMG]5
    TAI SHENG Breaker Combi Rifle, Chain-colt + 1 TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 45)
    SHÀNG JÍ Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 43)
    PANGGULING FTO (Repeater) Light Shotgun / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    SON-BAE Yaókòng Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 17)
    HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 37)

    3.5 SWC | 155 Points

    Open in Infinity Army


    No regular Zuyong needed as Tai is a Zuyong.
     
  11. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Something must have the Haris skill. Zuyong or Shang Ji. If you replace both Yan Huo, Is it really a YH Haris anymore? It really becomes either a Zuyong Haris or a Shang Ji Haris by default.

    As I said. I know that they count as a Zuyong. I put them in for consistency but i'll make a note.

    Edit: added Krit / Zuyong Duo. I didn't think about it but he counts as a Zuyong and has the Duo skill so there you go!
     
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    For the Zuyong core, perhaps it would be more accurate to write "1 to 5 zuyong or Krit or Tai".
     
  13. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Okay. I put (Counts as a Zuyong) next to the name. I think that can help. I don't want anyone thinking that they must have Krit or Tai. You can have a team of nothing but Zuyong.
     
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    No, it's still the Special Guijia Duo, just with a Wildcard Duo in place of Krit.
     
  15. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I already accounted for that. It was mentioned earlier about replacing both Krit and the Guijia. But by default that would make them a Shang Ji or Zuyong Duo. Since one of the two must have the Duo skill and those are the only other ones that have it.
     
  16. Anonymous

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    People, I am posing a question for Fireteams.

    It regards Holoprojector 1.

    I am playing ISS, Field group 1 with 4 Kuang Shi along with a Crane + CG FT:Core including of course the KGCD, however I also Field in the same Group Father Lucien Sforza, and deploy him Posing a second CG KGCD, could I actually create a FT:Core with Sforza Posing as the CGKSCD with the Kuang Shi?
     
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    A minor thing, but you can have only 4 Zhanshis as a maximum, becaue of AVA.

    Sidequestion: Can I run 4 Zhanshi + Spec Op as a 5 man link?

    No because a) you will have two FT: Core and thats illegal and b) you can only create a FT: Core with KS using a CG with CD, Sforza is no CG with CD, he only looks like one.
     
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  18. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. I fixed that.

    I don't think so because the Spec Op counts as a Zhanshi. So it would be 1 of the 4.
     
  19. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Due to the new FAQ, I've updated the Yan Huo Haris to have 1 Zuyong with Haris skill. Instead of 0 to 1.
     
  20. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Yan Huo doesn't require a Zuyong Haris, it requires the Zuyong (Fireteam: Haris) profile. I do not think this change matters for Yan Huo (I only think it matters to non-TA Zuyong who want to Duo with a Shang-Ji)
     
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