Well, an official word on something is never a bad thing, ty for adding it. But unless is ruled for me is the option a clearly. The key is that you can’t say that “has a special Lt order” and “grant an extra Lt order” equals to “you can only spend 1 Lt order” and “you now can expend 2 Lt orders”. It’s more like “I give you this order(s), put them aside and go and read in the Lt order page how to use it/them”. And in the Lt order page there is no limits about that they must be used by model that generated it, nor impose any limit per turn. Also the 2 order generated by a Lt2 are identical, it’s not like a Lt2 generated a Lt2 special order with a special rule that say that it can only be expended by a Lt2. By the way @Arkhos94 could you also add the Stratuscloud question, the wording is clearly mess up in that one, in this link it's described quite well How Stratuscloud cancelation clause works (Once this state is cancelled….): a) Once the state is cancelled in one of your models, you cannot activate it in any of the other models (RAW) b) Once the state is cancelled in one of your models, you cannot activate it that same model (player is a typo, it should say trooper) c) If you reload the equipment, you can activate it again. That clause is just clarifying the above bullet point (the phrase is correct but it belong to the bullet point above)
I think we agree for the most part. Everything points me to believe we have a separate pile of Lt orders and any user of the Lt skill can spend any number of them. Remove (RAW) tag. These things should be impartial. edit spelling
I'm little confused by this thread an can use a recap. Here is my Interpretation of the rules before reading this thread, please correct me if this is wrong. Turn 1: The LT is a Daoying with Lt-L2, a Hac Toa with Executive Order is hidden. When creating the order pool, 2 Lt orders are added to the order pool (exterior to all battle groups) Lt orders are usable by the Daoying Lt (Or NCO) During the turn the Hac Toa (Exc Order) is reveled and become the LT. The Hac Toa Lt (or NCO) may use both to the LT orders in the order pool. Turn 2: The Lt is the Hac Toa with regular LT, the Daoying is still alive. A Single Lt orders is added to the pool (exterior to all battle groups) The Hac Toa Lt (or NCO) may use the LT order. Since the Daoying is not the Lt, it does not generate a second LT order and may not spend Lt orders.
That is my interpretation as well, however, IJW does not agree and argues it should be: Turn 1: The LT is a Daoying with Lt-L2, a Hac Toa with Executive Order is hidden. When creating the order pool, 2 Lt orders are added to the order pool (exterior to all battle groups) Lt orders are usable by the Daoying Lt (Or NCO) During the turn the Hac Toa (Exc Order) is reveled and become the LT. The Hac Toa Lt (or NCO) may use only one of the LT orders in the order pool. Turn 2: The Lt is the Hac Toa with regular LT, the Daoying is still alive. A Single Lt orders is added to the pool (exterior to all battle groups) The Hac Toa Lt (or NCO) may use the LT order. Since the Daoying is not the Lt, it does not generate a second LT order and may not spend Lt orders.
So according to him in Turn 1 the second LT order would become void when the Hac Toa become LT.. I'll wait for the official FAQ. At minimum the second LT order should be usable by the NCO.
I believe he was only putting a restriction on the XO, not the NCO. I’ll call that a casualty of text formatting.
After revising both abilities and the lt special order, I can't see why NCO is allowed to spend 2 Lt orders and a Lt one is not. Could someone point the relevant lines in the rules?
I don't think there is a limitation. I think this thread was just about new LTs using the LTL2 extra order. I put it my description just to be complete.
The wording is quite similar and I don't understand how is so clear that NCO can expend all Lt orders he want but the Lt1 can only expend1, even if for some reason there is more in play. So I don't know if this is one of these cases of "this is expected to work like this so forget the wording and play like that" or there is something in the wording of these abilities that i'm missing.
Exactly. NCO doesn't care how many LT orders there are, he can spend all of them. So why should a CoC or XO new LT care?
I guess I just don't see the connection; what IJW argued is that LT2 skill (and technically Lieutenant Special Order basic game rule, not LT1 skill) names the order as possessive to the LT generating it. Since the XO and COC both assume LT skill and doesn't mention Order ownership transferal, it shares little mechanically with NCO which essentially states carte blanche "I can be activated with the LT order" and as such doesn't care about ownership. Or put differently, NCO goes "SUDO DO" instead of muck around with execution privileges of the files...
