@WakeTheGhost Can you talk about how you organized the first list combat groups? Also I notice that the Rasail was not used at all, what are your reasons for not including it?
I really wanted the additional specialist with the Sukeul as well as the efficiency of moving up with a Triad. The Rasail is probably a better option for Decap and Firefight but given the other missions I went with utility. As far as group organization in the first list it was really about being able to have two different groups that could (in theory) accomplish the objectives. For group 1 I used the Draal to move up and take out ARO pieces as his triad made their way towards objectives, once there they split up. The Sukeul HMG handled any longer range threats. As far as group 2, with the exception of the supplies mission, I used the Clipsos aggressively and wanted plenty of orders for the Clipsos and Liberto to get their mines out early to slow down my opponent's approach. My thought was that group 1's orders would mostly go into the Draal triad and group's 2 orders would be used to counter any tricks my opponent had lined up. Splitting the orders as I did left me enough resources to accomplish at least half of the mission objectives and dig in the mid-field without over extending myself in turn 1.
@WakeTheGhost Thank you for the information How effective did you find the Draal? was it worth it over a second Sukiel?
Use the word autism in a positive fashion as a complement to someone with great memory skills, because exceptional long term memory is a positive trait of autism?
Using word autism when not speaking about an actual person on the spectrum, period. It's dehumanizing. Being on the spectrum is something we struggle with every single day of our lives. It's not there for you to mock and use as a crutch for your mediocre metonymy. And it's especially insulting in the modern gaming slang that created the image of "a maladjusted, antisocial REEEEEE! weirdo whose only possible redeeming feature at all is the oversimplified and exaggerated computational potential of their mind". We're not cookie-cutter drooling demi-idiots who solve Rubik cubes with our feet while playing Go against Google DeepMind. You don't get to publicly equate us with that artificial image and reinforce it in people's minds. That's why.
You're not being mocked anymore than I am when someone says Asians are good at math when i am in fact, terrible at it. I get that you define your life around this, but at the same time given that you appear to be capable of comprehension understand that when someone says something with no malicious intent, it's not an insult. If I refer to you as an autistic retard, that's mocking you, there's no sense in it and the comment is made purely to irritate and upset the target. But that's something I'd reserve for an event of you somehow pissing me off, because then trading insults would be appropriate. What's more dehumanising? Needing to be treated differently and insulated because you are unable to handle conversation with people, which for the record I don't think your particular case is necessary, or being treated the same as everyone else capable of handling normal conversation where you can identify the difference between a compliment and an insult? Personally, if people felt that I incapable of deciphering what an insult actually was and behaved different to baby me, now that would insult me.
As the subject of the dehumanization, I will be the judge of that, thank you. What would personally insult you is immaterial, it's not about you. I'm simply saying that in this social dance you're stepping on my feet and it hurts. I'm not saying you did that on purpose, out of malice, it's just a misstep or even something you didn't know was not a step I'd appreciate. A kind person, even if they do not understand, would bow out and apologize, never stepping again on my feet. Instead you are claiming that "what really hurts is people dancing around your feet and treating you as if you didn't have steel-toed boots on them!". I don't. Using expressions like "weapons grade bare-foot runnery" mocks me and my issues even if my bare feet allowed me to run like Usain Bolt and play soccer like boys from Copacabana. So, again, kindly, no excuses and rhetoric - just please stop stomping all over my feet when I ask you nicely. Is that doable, please?
Look the only person here who is actually dehumanising autistic people is you. But, given that you have indicated that you are incapable of dealing with this and that it upsets you, I will not use the word autistic in conversation with you specifically. I think that's fair. What's also fair though, from your end, is butting out of my perfectly civil conversation with other people. If I'm not talking to you, don't read my posts and feel free to be irrationally offended at nothing elsewhere, the ignore function is there if you need help in this endeavor.
The FD lvl2, 6-2 MOV and (most importantly) Stratuscloud helped to bust standard TR/Neurocinetics and ARO Fireteams. The Dazer is incredibly useful, you just have to be careful with placement because the Saturation Zone can really mess up your ARO pieces.
So something I noticed was a bit common was the Sukeul lieutenant. This is a profile I've steered away from (typically in favour of the cheaper Sakiel with viral combi if I want a fighty, linkable Lt), but it seems to have done well for people. Anyone got any thoughts on triad layouts or use cases where she particularly shone? @nehemiah in particular if you have time :)
Sukeul lt is a specialist and able to kill high armor targets. I like the loadout anway and take it often so if I don't have a rasail lt the sukeul becomes it. I will try out sakiel lt more often but it has some problems. I like my triads to be a makaul, some long range dmg some short range damage. Viral and k1 both tick the short range damage but the sukeul is also a specialist. I dont think we have a great long range specialist besides draal ap marksman
Not only is the sukeul FO Lt. a specialist, but it is also a veteran troop and has d-charges, which means it can do 7 more of the classifieds from the classified deck than the sakiel or rasail.
In the games I played the differences never really came into play, but I like the Sukeul Lt for several reasons. in addition to what others noted above, as an FO they get a Flash Pulse, so if they get caught outside of 16" but within 24" they still have an effective ARO, (and one that can completely shut down most rampaging units on a failed save). They also have have Mimitism which combined with BS 13 gives them a significant boost in shoot outs. The are Veteran L1 so they cannot be Isolated, granted they probably have a Chain of Command some where on the table, but it does limit the opponent's options for stopping them.
Not speaking for the Rumblers, but that Sukeul is a really nice tool for the mission lineup. Rumble included Acquisition, Firefight and Decap, so having both Makaul and a really good K1 platform gives you some nice anti-armor options that are still pretty decent vs light and medium targets too. The internet tends to look down on all-rounders, but they sure can be useful in a system like Infinity. My best performer was a Zulu Cobra Killer Hacker, who was also a mobile BS13 gunfighter, capable of performing multiple classifieds, and carrying an armor-cracking weapon. That's a good spectrum of tools that you can apply to a Plan B if your more specialized units run into difficulty.
Thanks folks, some good food for thought there. I'll admit I hadn't thought of the rumble scenario pack as having more than a moderate classified emphasis, and the rest of the Sukeul Lt's toolkit always struck me as more focused on a few specific scenarios (e.g. she can borderline win The Grid by herself). Firefight and Decap both struck me as having her be risky, where she's expensive enough that not using her is a serious handbrake on your list, but she's not so much more resilient than a competing choice that the risk you're running by going active with her is real. But having seen people's comments here, I think it's possible I'm being too possessive of my order pool, which I can typically only maintain by cutting and scraping points from elsewhere, and that the extra capability is worthwhile. In particular this conversation's made me think about a triad I've been keen to run - draal marksman and double makaul, which I'm hoping combines everything you want in a triad with some impressive speed and aggro - and it occurs to me that the Sukeul at the head of a double makaul triad could actually accomplish kind of the same thing into the second and third turns when the draal peters out.
That feeling when your packing symbiobombs and nullifier Sukuel for the inevitable jammerfest that is Rescue, and someone in the thread reminds you that your Sukuels simply have Veteran. God this unit is good. I've typically leaned on Neema as a focal piece for my aggressive plays, but those Mimetism scoring Lt Sukuels are seeming mighty fine, especially when one of my main opponents likes to run Haqq.
