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N3 tactical guide to Qapu Khalqi, The Men of the Gate

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Errhile, Nov 26, 2017.

  1. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Well, I think chances are pretty high that at least fireteams are covered in that video. And frankly it's a shame that Djanbazan didn't get Haris. But I agree that it was kind of a fireteam only found in wishlists, especially considering "wildcards" that already existed in QK anyway.
     
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  2. Solar

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    My Djanbazan today did some great work and really got use out of Regeneration, passing his PH rolls twice! I know it's often overlooked as not that good, but I think that it in the very least makes your opponent think about the possibility that your MSV2 HMG will come back, and that's useful.
     
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  3. Solar

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    I've been thinking about the uses of Odalisques in non-merc QK links and their uses.

    A NWI 360 visor with a linked Nanopulser and -9 to hit in CC is great at dealing with warband rushes. One weakness QK has been is that outside Jans and Odas nobody can really soak a hit, but now you can cover against marauding Morlocks, G45s and so on relatively effectively because they will struggle to piece trade and with a B2 ARO you can put them in the dirt.

    Odalisque "point women" will be a useful addition to those team options IMO.
     
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  4. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    E/M ccw Morlock dont care much about your 2w, though I guess his chain rifle do.

    Overall QK changes seem a bit underwhelming overall. Still playable for sure. They just dont get any real love from CB these days.

    Hafzas, the original wildcards being less wildcardy than regular wildcards is a bit lame IMHO. All the other sectorials took QKs nice things.
     
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  5. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Here we are, o shayks. Time to note down the changes we got in Daedalus' Fall.

    Ghilim. Got a new, very, very interesting and playable profile:
    • 16/1 NCO, with rifle and Light Grenade Launcher (Normal & Smoke ammo). One of the best friends our Djanbazan could've hoped for, and a reliable source of smoke to supplement the Yuan Yuan (of which much can be said, but certainly not a praise for their reliability!).
    Hafza. They remain as they were before, except they no longer can join Fireteam: Haris of other QK troops. Personally, I find it disappointing (though this might be a typo on CB's part - let's give it a few days to solidify: the Army says 2 Hafza can be part of any non-Merc Core, while the Profiles .pdf asys simply "any non-Mercenary Fireteam", which would imply Haris and Duo as well). Their position wasn't as strong as in the 2ed era, and became even weaker now, if they turn up to be not able to join a Haris. On the other hand, if 2 Hafzas are allowed in a Haris, so we might be in for some interesting combinations.

    Layla Sharif. Layla is now a Wildcard, meaning she can be a member of any QK Fireteam. Note: unlike Hafza and Odalisques, there's no restirction prohibiting her form joining Merc Fireteams of Druze or Kaplan.

    Kaplan. They got Fireteam: Haris ability, along with 2 profiles:
    • 24/0 CombiRifle, ADHL, D-Charges, Haris. A very interesting Haris profile, as it comes with no SWC cost.
    • 29/1.5 Spitfire Haris. A more traditionallayout for a Haris, still useful though!

    Odalisques. Again, they remain as they were, except gaining the same Wildcard ability as Hafzas: up to 2 Odalisques can join "any QK Fireteam, except for mercenary ones". This is extremally useful, allowing us to bolster more expensive units (especially useful for Janissaries, I think!) with inexpensive, yet durable models. I I guess the SMG Odalisques are going to shine in this role!
    Also, there is no rule prohibiting us to combine Odalisque Wildcards with Hafza Wildcards in the same Fireteam, so... we're regaining some of the flexibility QK had in 2ed.

    Djanbazan. Gained Haris ability on a variant of the SMR loadout:
    • 30/0.5 Shock Marksman Rifle Haris. Potentially a very useful option!

    Azra'il. No changes except for the ability to form a Duo Fireteam with a FTO variant of a Shaytanyah REM. I must say I am completely puzzled by the very concept of this Duo: it brings absolutely no advantages to either of the models, as they rarely have to walk far upfields, being geared towards long-range fire support, but requires them to stay within ZoC of each other, and declare same ARO. Noteworthy, the same Duo got possible in Ramah, with Al Fasid instead of Azra'il, and remains just as puzzling to me.
    Unless, of course, there is someting new in Duo Fireteam rules I failed to notice...?

    Rafiq REM. Rafiq got two new profiles, both marked as FTO, which Army marks (at the moment) as being able to join a Fireteam: Duo with a Maghariba Guard. Also, I'm not sure whether Rafiq had a Deactivator before!
    • 17/0 Rifle + Light Shotgun, FTO - this loadout, being able to work in a Duo with a Maghariba, is totally pointless in QK: we don't have access to Magharibas, after all.
    • 22/0.5 Red Fury FTO - having a DAM 13 Shock Spitfire on a Rafiq is as close to having a full-fledged assault remote as we have ever been! I guess we're going to see it a lot!

    Shaytaniyah REM. This one got a new profile, which swaps the Smart Missile Launcher for a regular Missile Launcher:
    • 18/1,5 ML FTO. As I said above, this can join a Duo with Azra'il, making it, IMO, totally pointless. In some other sectorials around, a FTO ML REM is a cheap way of including a ML with good BS in a Fireteam, and granting it Fireteam bonuses. Such a Shaytaniah FTO would be making sense for a Ghulam Fireteam, for example. But in a Duo with Azra'il? also, keei in mind that you swap Smart AP+DA ammo for regular AP+EX. More oomph in direct-fire mode, but completely losing the ability to fire in Smart mode.


    And this seems to be it, o brothers. A few new profiles, a much welcomed Djanbazan Haris (and a Kaplan one, too), and regaining much of our former flexibility with new Odalisque rules (also, Layla Sharif as a full Wildcard), and some REM shenaningans that I can't find any sense in!
     
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  6. KedzioR_vo

    KedzioR_vo Well-Known Member
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    We've definitely got some interesting new options, and with so many of them it's not easy to pick the one most intriguing, but...
    That's my first-look bad-ass favourite option! :D
    Red Fury - I like it! Specialist FO on a fast REM - I like it! Putting that all together with such small prize in pts and SWC - I love it! Give him Assisted Fire and he'll be the hunter killer REM I thought about for some time!

    Definitely will be played a lot!


    PozdRawiam / Greetings
     
  7. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Oh, even the basic Rifle+LSG Rafiq is deadly: that Light Shotgun & Assisted Fire has been the end of a few fireteams here! just a matter of getting the REM close enough!
     
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  8. JoKeR

    JoKeR HAWZA Instructor
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    it a typo

    usefull cause you pay 0.5 SWC for opportunity take some Blitsen in a Harris, if you use Leila to fill up the harris


    need a lot ot thinking about it. For sure use it to buy +1 B to HMG is overcosted. but Harris with two hawzas or hawza/oda may be interesting
     
  9. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I can still see that being in the Army.
    Can you give me a link to a confirmation that it was merely a typo? I certainly hope it was!
     
  10. JoKeR

    JoKeR HAWZA Instructor
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    i can but it would be useless for you cause it on the warcor part of the forum.
    Typo in AB would be fixed ASAP

    UPD: also find discussion here:
     
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  11. Robock

    Robock Well-Known Member

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    The only reason for Duo, is to link with a wildcard, but then you also need to duo skill. So... the ML bot can link with either Azra'il or Leila. A bonus on the bot (*edit: no bonus really she's KHD and cannot buff it). As for Azra'il he gains nothing from that duo, it could prevent frenzy kicking in (like we see in some other duo) but it is not a worry for him (he's non frenzy).
     
  12. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Yup. And yet CB were adamant on making this Duo happen, both in QK and RTF.
    So - there must be something to it we don't know...
     
  13. JoKeR

    JoKeR HAWZA Instructor
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    now it solved :hugging_face:
     
  14. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Noted :)

    Any news on the Azra'il + Shaytanyah Duo...?
     
  15. moxtron

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    maybe we can include a hafza/odalisque in the duo with the rem because they are wildcards so you could in case of the hafza carry a specialist in the duo.
    i like that option still not overwhelming but better than the azrail one i guess
     
  16. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I still fail to see the point of building a Duo around a Shaytanyah REM.

    Why?

    Because in a Duo, you don't any shooting bonus (neither Burst nor BS), the only thing you get is Order efficiency when moving. And Shaytanyah isn't going to ever move around a lot. In fact, being an ordinary Missile Launcher it is limited to Burst 1, making it rather unimpressive gunfighter in a straight face-to-face...
     
  17. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Shaytaniah is a missile bot, it's not a specialist. I'm not sure why would one run a separate active Hafza with a missile bot...
     
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  18. Fire@Will

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    I think the design might be that the Shaytanyah can get a burst bonus from a hacker, however a free move to reposition in the active turn is something you could build a flank around. Having played Druze with plenty of duos, they are a neat way to efficiently move your stuff.
     
  19. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    But it still doesn't work.
    Sure, you can use a hacker to Enhance Reaction on the Shaytanyah. But for that, you need to keep it in ZoC of the Hacker (or a friendly Repeater) for that - nothing to have to do with Duo FIreteam.

    I agree with you about Duos in general - but, as I was saying before, these make sense when you move the troops a lot (mostly because one of them is a specialist). A Shaytanyah + Azra'il isn't...
     
  20. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Honestly I'm not too disappointed

    QK have so many awesome options with Hafzas and Odalisques in links now, it's awesome.
     
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