You didn't start the order Engaged so change facing is valid, just like if someone runs up to you in LoF you can BS Attack them
Im super new to this game so I can't really weigh in much but to me it does not read that way. I have learned though I don't read/speak Corvus Belli very well. To me this line makes the attacks valid. But im not the boss and im just trying to learn. However, if the second Short Skill of the Order is any non-Movement Skill, then those enemies can react normally in ARO. There has to be a piece of the rules I am missing. The part that explains interactions and timing with AROs. That literally says those units can react as normal if they are attacked.
under the old understanding he could get jobbed. under the FAQ, he throws smoke the order before. moves into B2B with the target, while a koala moves into ZOC ARO must be vs the Koala (no stealth) Yojimbo hits you for free
read the core ARO rules. The interaction we are telling you is the "normal" reaction in ARO. The part you are quoting isnt relevant here
The Sakiel provokes an ARO after the first skill, if you decide not to respond then you lose your ARO for the whole order, regardless of what the Makaul's second skill is.
He can use it vs other top tier CC troopers to attempt to kill them vs a Change Facing FTF rather than a CC FTF (with MA/NBW MODs).
Ho you guys are completly right abot change facing. That's so ... ninja like. But also such a dirty trick ;D PS : Can't wait to read more abuse exemple of this rule to realize how much open the box is ...
@Azuset Say there were 2 Makauls only. They advance under smoke into B2B with their first short skill. Since they have stealth there is no valid ARO at the first check. One declares CC attack for a second short skill. An ARO is available at the second ARO check so you may declare CC or Dodge. Now add a Sakiel into the equation. All 3 models advance under smoke as before. The Sakiel however does not have stealth so as it is in ZOC you can declare a change facing ARO. As there is now a valid ARO at the first check you must declare this or forgoe any AROs.
Ok, what's the issue with playing it the other way? Hackers (who pay an absolute premium for their abilities) actually work against their intented targets? That's it. These dirty tricks / significantly unfun interactions simply go away.
It's basically limited to Hacking and CC. It's not like this is news either: these arguments have been made for over a year (I think) and is part of why the forum consensus largely settled against the interpretation the FAQ took.
really there is no issue. But at the same time skills like stealth or MA or other skills I'm paying for should be useful aswell. There's drawbacks of either ruling and this is the one we got. just gotta deal with it I guess.
To be fair, the forum also usually told newbies that double discover was a totally fair and valid skill combo – at least from what I remember reading on here – but we've been squashed on that too
I knew about the umbra and remote thing. Did not realize how deep you could abuse it. :D Really, I pity the guy who is going to be the referee on our next big tournament ... is that me ?!? Ho crap
It was a totally fair and valid skill combo. It is no longer a valid skill combo. I see no reason why it isn't still a fair combo. It's never really been an issue in any game I play, and I have played with a lot of Camo.
