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Symbiomupdate

Discussion in 'Tohaa' started by colbrook, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    First of all he has it, he does not need to appeal to it, secondly and more importantly, we are here to help, been second guessed in whatever clarification we give if the answer is not in favour of the poster is, at times, becoming tiresome, if me and @ijw give a wrong answer or the design team decides to change a ruling down the line you will be notified, first and foremost by us.

    A side-note here, we mostly do not do "RAW interpretation" since we are there when the rules are crated, have discussed interactions and morphed the wording to convey as best as it is possible the intention of the rule, I can understand the community can find some interaction we did not thought of, or think the wording is not good and needs some changing, I we are glad to accept feedback on it.

    Thanks
     
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  2. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    I think you guys would do well to make something like a pinned statement to that effect, otherwise people will have doubt about "how official these answers really are" and the less gracious of players will claim stupid things like "they are glorified Warcors" and such, as we've already seen.

    I had doubt myself and wasn't given an answer like this one above despite asking openly. It'd have really helped me stand behind your ruling and understand it's not unfounded.

    Thank you both for the continued effort :)
     
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  3. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Well, that’s a matter of taste, so... de gustibus non est disputandum, etc. And, well, if it’s a choice between him or someone who frequently seems to be That Guy and presents malafide arguments...
     
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  4. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    I don't think you understand. The phrase I was using means that he was using his own authority as justification for the veracity of his statements.


    Yes, I understand you'd be happier if the community treated your words like a religious text beyond reproach.

    When ijw was saying things that were contradicted pretty explicitly in a FAQ, that was not how it went down.

    Well, sometimes what you guys say is in contravention to what's actually in the rulebook, and other times it's clear you're not in communication with CB and are just giving your opinion and expected it to be treated with a great deal of gravity.
     
  5. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    No, they would be wise to petition a CB Staff member to make a post to that effect. Right now it looks more like the Western Schism than real organization. It's practically the Year of Three Popes between Koni, PsychoticStorm and IJW sometimes.
     
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  6. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    There are objective measure of grammatical clarity and correctness.


    And your justification for why I'm "That Guy" is I don't bend the knee and admit that the existing system is beyond reproach, so you will always be able to cast any critique as wrong.
     
  7. Alf O'Mega

    Alf O'Mega Member

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    I lurk on this forum quite regularly but I haven’t dropped in for a while - things have definitely changed round here.

    It makes me truly sad to read such regular torrents of bratish bile being spewed so regularly by literally a handful of members here.

    If you were my kids you’d have been sent to bed without your tea!!

    You’re not playing chess here - it’s not even poker!! It’s not the olympics, the world will not stop spinning... I can only assume you’re young guys of a certain age just starting out in life - it can get far more challenging than skewed odds!!! You seriously need to have a word with yourselves and get a grip...


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  8. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    @Hecaton Ok, you are right I did not understood that phrase, I do not remember @ijw contradicting FAQ, except if you mean the answers Palanka gave in the old forum, that is an entirely other story, old forum is gone, I think it is for the best.

    Personally when I give my opinion, or it is something I have not discussed, like the critical hit on Symbiomate I state it as I have, if I know that what I say is the correct answer regardless of how people read the rule, then I give the answer, I do accept feedback on how the rule should have been better written though.

    @meikyoushisui I do not think we have been giving you any conflicting answers.
     
  9. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    YOU MONSTER!!!
     
  10. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    This is a flatly incorrect statement. Units left in the biotechvore with a 'Mate are risking just as much as any other unit with 2 wounds and BTS 9 would be.
     
  11. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Here's how the rule should be written then. I've italicized the changes.
    • Possessing a SymbioMate provides its user (who must be in the Active Symbiont Armor state) an ARM and BTS value of 9—replacing the ARM and BTS values of the user's Troop Profile—and it provides the Total Immunity Special Skill to its owner.
    • When a trooper in the Active Symbiont Armor state possessing a SymbioMate suffers a successful Attack with any ammunition type that does not have the Non-Lethal trait, or is forced to make an ARM/BTS roll for any other reason, they will perform all ARM/BTS Rolls for the duration of that order with an Attribute value of 9, applying the Total Immunity Special Skill. At the end of the order, the SymbioMate is removed from the table.
    • Critical hits are treated _______________________________ (fill in the blank with how crits need to be handled, I've honestly lost track of who is arguing what for this one).
    Not on this issue, but there was a post just a couple months ago where Koni popped in to contradict every word of what IJW had argued for the entire thread.
     
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  12. Hecaton

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    I suppose. Very few units with Wounds and BTS 9 in the game, though. Perhaps it's not as much of an issue as I thought it was at first glance.
     
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  13. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Wait, are you suggesting CB ought not to take direction from a gaggle of perpetually aggrieved forumites? Perish the thought!
     
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  14. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Remember, when you have no way of refuting someone's argument, you should just criticize how it is presented and call them kids. It's a great way to both simultaneously make yourself feel good because you get to pat yourself on the back for both caring less about something and feeling more mature about something!

    You're right though, it's completely wrong to want a complete and well-written ruleset to avoid ambiguity, and anyone who cares about improving how the rules are written or the game is played is clearly a lesser human being than you are.

    Or in just a few words, the false sense of superiority is tiresome.
     
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  15. Alf O'Mega

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    You ok hun?


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  16. Sora9785

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    @psychoticstorm have you tried to change the Kealtar loadout? Maybe it would suffice to give each Kealtar 1 Mate and 1 Bomb.
    Or you could take the CoC skill from the Mates to the Bombs.
    When I make a list, I want that 14 WIP specialist for 21 points + a safe net if my Leutnant dies.

    If you could swap the CoC maybe the points should be put closer together (both versions around ~19 points)

    Also thanks for being very patience with us in the forum and I hope that you are not discouraged by the behaviour of some members
     
  17. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Dude, seriously, if you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute, just don't post anything at all. If all you're going to do is infantilize the opposition to make yourself feel good, go do it somewhere else.
     
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  18. Alf O'Mega

    Alf O'Mega Member

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    I don’t believe I called anyone a child. I did imply they may be brats, or were at least acting in a bratish manner.

    Improved reading comprehension would have avoided much of this so I can’t say I’m hugely surprised to be misquoted.

    As far as wanting good rules I guess you get what you pay for?!

    This is the last you’ll hear from me on this - I have no desire to become part of the problem.

    The last word can be yours should you want it.

    #firstworldproblems


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  19. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Uh, you literally said:

    If that doesn't count as infantilizing or "calling anyone a child", then I'm not sure what does.

    Insulting everyone on one side of the argument, and then pretending you are the mature one and haven't actually insulted anyone doesn't strike me as a hallmark of 1) a good way to have a discussion or 2) a good way to counter the behavior you criticized in your original comment. In fact, it's an excellent example of the behavior you were criticizing in your first comment here.
     
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  20. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Will you two knock it off. Please.
     
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