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Camo vs Camo split burst declaration

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by eciu, Mar 31, 2019.

  1. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    So let there be our trigger-happy vodka induced Specnaz A. He moves his merry way under a camo marker to see the nearby Dakini sniper which annoys him greatly. Specnaz moves into the range and around the corner. Dakini B declares "delay" and suddenly a TO camo marker appear (proxy Mk2) and also say "delay".

    Can the Specnaz A declare split burst (for example 2 and 2) versus both Dakini and TO marker hoping that TO marker will also shoot and thus allowing Specnaz to to be hit unoposed ?

    tldr; can you declare shoots at camo marker while it delays hoping that it will decide to break it's camo ?
     
  2. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Whould say no.

    But you can willingly leave the Camo State at the Beginning of your Turn in still get the surprise shot cause you started in Camo state.

    Edit:

     
  3. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    N3 Frequently Asked Question FAQ Version: 1.4, Sep 2018
    Q: Can you choose to cancel game states that are the result of an optional Skill? For example Camouflaged state or an IMP state.
    A: No, unless the Cancellation bullet points for the game state say that you can cancel the state voluntarily.
     
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  4. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Your best bet would be to move so you can only see one of them with your 2nd short skill, wasting their AROs. Then discover+BS Attack the following order.
     
  5. kinginyellow

    kinginyellow Well-Known Member

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    No, that order cannot shoot at the TO model and full bursting the dakini now could prove deadly.

    What you need to do now is spend a new order and declare discover on TO and then shoot 2-2 as originally planned.

    In the future, instead of idling or moving 0 for a camo marker when you start the order seeing the target, declare discover on the trooper you were going to shoot. It is silly to declare discover on a trooper, but discover removes the camo state and an enemy marker declaring delay is a bad position to be in.
     
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  6. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Well, then me and my opponent got the rule wrong on the tournament last weekend :grin:
     
  7. solkan

    solkan Well-Known Member

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    For the record, this is okay to do because Holoprojector level one exists. Even if it’s impossible for the other player’s force to have Holoprojector, the rules don’t discriminate. :)
     
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  8. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    What?
    There is literally no benefit in declaring Discover against a trooper. You have to designate who you are declaring Discover against when you declare it. Just like you have to assign burst when declaring BS Attack. You can not retroactively designate targets after declaration. The TO unit is still in TO state and will remain until they reveal to shoot your ass for free.
     
  9. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    The advantage is that you are revealing your camo trooper with your first skill, this means the Hidden trooper can't delay and must choose whether to reveal themselves or not before you declare your attack and assign burst.
     
  10. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    You've misunderstood the aim of the Discover. By declaring Discover as the first Short Skill, you are no longer a camo marker and enemy troopers cannot delay their ARO. If the Proxy Mk2 wants to react, it will have to reveal fully and declare an ARo, instead of delaying and being placed as an untargetable TO Camo marker.

    EDIT - Colininja'd...
     
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  11. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Aha. That makes total sense then. I read that as removing camo state on AROing units
     
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  12. kinginyellow

    kinginyellow Well-Known Member

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    Yup. This is a weird backwards way of declaring discover to reveal yourself.
     
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