Post Daedalus Fall List Talk

I'm very interested what list you will come up with.

 

I think one of the main advantage in vanilla is that you don't have to choose between SymbioMates or SymbioBombs, you can take both. This is especially useful for the Kiuutan if you give him both as the SymbioBomb makes him very threatening and additionally he has extraordinary survivability using the SymbioMate. Maximizing the ability to delay your opponent.
Same if you use the Draal for doing objectives. Due to his Forward Deployment L2 and you using him to walk around to grab objectives, the SymbioBomb lets be a scary trooper covering a big portion of the field and leading your opponent to make tough choices. Additionally the SymbioMate hinders your oppponent stopping the Draal from grabbing objectives or being threatening.

I also like having the Kriigel in vanilla. The Mirrorball combined with a Non-MSV long ranged weapon in a triad is quite useful against MSV-troops (like the typical MSV-Sniper your opponent is fielding). The only Sniper options in Spiral Corps either have MSV or are not linkable. If you consider Medium-long range weapons like RedFury, Spitfire or MK12 the only regular or linkable options in Spiral Corps are really expensive in my oppinion (Neema, Chaksa Longarms Haris, Kiel-Saan). So vanilla has an advantage in this point being able to use cheaper or more fitting units to form triads synergizing with Mirrorball.

 

Not having access to the Kriigel+Reex means I'll probably never touch the Reex (we'll see, but I like my triads too much, might be worth it to grab the K1 Marksman on occasion...)

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GROUP 1 10 1
KOSUIL Engineer K1 Combi Rifle, D-Charges, Nullifier / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29)
SAKIEL Lieutenant Viral Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
KIEL-SAAN Red Fury, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (1 | 53)
DRAAL Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Dazer / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)

GROUP 2 3 2 2
KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
LIBERTO Submachine Gun, Chain-colt, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 8)
DIPLOMATIC DELEGATE (iKohl L1, Specialist Operative) Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

2.5 SWC | 300 Points

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Hmm, didn't realize the SWC was that low. I am missing a high burst piece apart from the Kiel-san...

 

People seem to be running unlinked Draal a lot. That's pretty interesting to me. So far I've had very little trouble having triad members keep up with the Draal even with forward deployment and the 6-2 MOV, but I've also seen Draal perform well solo so maybe it's fine.

 

Well I did have him in a Triad but then I started worrying about him miring his triad mates in the Dazer :p That combines with FD2 made me think he'd be better off on his own, and if he's solo I can plop him somewhere in suppressive. I guess I'll have to try him out both ways and see.

 

The krigell/reex/reex job is to mark/kill. Use to mark hard to kill units with phero then use bigger guns to take said unit down. Also use to kill/mark a stray fire team member then use other krigell to smoke them to cover my units.

The draal/kaeltar/krigel job is button push objectives and kill units. The second draal is a lone unit button pusher and to use dazer to make my opponents waste more orders to move to objectives or just move in general.

The taagma/chaksa/chaksa sniper is long range support.

 

Here is my new list for tohaa

Kriigel Tagma Spit HMG
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GROUP 1 10 2
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Neurocinetics, 360º Visor) HMG / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 25)
GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
GAO-RAEL Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 33)
KAMAEL Paramedic (Medikit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
KAMAEL Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)

GROUP 2 6 1 2
SUKEUL HMG, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
DIPLOMATIC DELEGATE (iKohl L1, Specialist Operative) Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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The basic idea is HMG and Spifire attacking. I can either go forward with backup triad with kriigel, or make a defensive with sniper.

 

It might just be the mobile interface but that's a bit tricky to read. Sukeul and Gao-Rael will always be pretty reliable on the attack though.

 

I've fixed the formatting

 

This is the list I will try out:

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GROUP 1 8 1
SUKEUL Lieutenant (Forward Observer) K1 Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
GROUP 2 8 2
GAO-RAEL Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 33)
DRAAL Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Dazer / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR Smart Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 15)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
KAMAEL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
KAMAEL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
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First: please check next time the formatting, you aren't a rookie anymore
Second: would change the SHRL Chaksa against a HFT one and a diplomatic delegate. And I see what you want to do, but the HRL isn't worth the orders.
And I don't understand why you take 2 Kamael and not 2 SMG Kerail.

 

Spares for Triad attrition maybe?

 

Without changing to much, there's no way to fill the SWC.
I think despite of that you could give the list a try.

 

@Ben Kenobi Yeah I'm going to give it a go this week if the mission allows it. Gotta start getting some experience with the new pieces :)

 

Thanks Ben, I was on mobile so changing formatting wasn't so easy. I take kamael instead of kaurii with the makaul to have a melee killer triad with but yeah kauri is also an idea

 

I can make the same list, but without delegate and krakot, but with kerail perseptors with beast. So it will be 16 orders. What do you think?

 

With two Gao Rael it would be a good replacement.
Never tried the smoke trick with Tohaa, but it should work perfectly.
And you have enough Makaul for Close Combat situations.

 

I guess you mean me? Mhmm Yeah loosing one order but gaining the kerail is probably worth it

 

Kerail is ace when combined with Gao Rael, in some situations normal rolling smoke onto a Gao Rael can completely ruin your opponents turn.