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Seed-Embryo and Hatching

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Leviathan, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    When hatching from Seed-Embryo and swapping to the developed shape profile, does the newly hatched troop need to be standing up, or can they be in the prone state?

    What about using the Hatch ARO, which counts as a Dodge but does not allow the user to move? Dodge generally allows entering the prone state.
     
  2. solkan

    solkan Well-Known Member

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    ARO Hatch probably counts as a Dodge the same way Smoke does. :)

    And the only thing AutoHatch does is cancel the seed embryo state. That gives you the choice of facing, and that seems to be about it.

    On the other hand, perversely enough, it seems that you can deploy seed embryo’s prone. And you really may as well.
     
  3. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Hatching cancels the Seed-Embryo state, but it won't cancel or activate other unrelated states. So a Prone Seed-Embryo would hatch into a Prone Seed Soldier.

    Dodge in ARO allows you to go Prone because it lets the trooper Move.
     
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  4. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    Huh. So... deploy the S0 seeds prone, and then the hatched troop will be prone?
     
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  5. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Oh thank god we can deploy seed embryos prone.
     
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    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Sounds like to me. This is a really good change actually.
     
  7. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    Does that also mean that hatching a seed soldier would retain the camo state? (as Autohatch is a short movement skill that does not require rolling dice)
     
  8. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Probably not as the seed soldier itself lacks the limited camo rule. But an interesting question since the limited camo skill itself just lets you deploy in the limited camo state and doesn't seem to have any interaction thereafter.
     
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  9. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    It seems to me that RAW you get to keep it. Either that, or Limited Camo turns off as soon as the game starts because none of the effects "allow the user to be in the camouflauged state."
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    The Marker is replaced with a Model.
    From Seed-embryo state:

    A trooper's Seed-Embryo state is cancelled, and its Marker replaced with its model, whenever:
     
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    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    Nevermind. Ignore below (keeping for posterity). It says "trooper's...marker."



    Except that there is no Seed-Embryo marker because it's a camo marker, right?

    It's a bit more confusing that it needs to be, that's for sure.
     
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  12. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Camo Marker is its Marker then ;p
     
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    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I originally read that as "replace the seed-embryo marker with the trooper when..."
     
  14. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Makes sense. Good catch by Mahtamori.
     
  15. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    @ijw here's another one: public vs private information.

    Does the seed embryo state protect the identity and information of the model within it?

    eg. a person points at a revealed seed embryo (or decoy) of a cadmus, do i have to say "its a cadmus troop with combi rifle and assault pistol" ?
     
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  16. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    I would say it's "fairly clear" that you would have to volunteer that information. Nothing seems to have changed about what constitutes private information:


    Seed-Embryo is not on the list, nor does it have the private information label. That said, I see where the confusion comes from. The reminder on the seed-embryo page suggests that it's the act of turning a marker into a model that forces you to reveal open information...
     
  17. Pendragonstn

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    Since we are discussing this, Hatch+BS benefits from Surprise Shot if the Seed starts in limited Camouflage right? Or because it says that you use the developed shape you don't get the benefit?
     
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  18. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    The Requirement for Surprise Shot is:
    That will be fulfilled if the trooper starts in Camouflaged state.
     
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