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Dual Weild questions

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by mittenninja, Mar 28, 2019.

  1. mittenninja

    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    So with the new campaign spec ops rules we have some interesting interactions with dual wielding ccws.

    What happens if you dual wield EXP and Monofilament CCWs for example? Three saves at DAM12 that instant kill? Four saves, three at PH and one at 12 that instant kills? Three saves at PH that instant kill?
     
  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Can Spec-Ops now take the dual wield skill? Not showing on Army but it doesn't look like that has updated
     
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    Robock Well-Known Member

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    indeed, you need Dual Wield to be allowed to combine multiple CCWs. So spec-op can grab several but will need to specify which one they use every order (just like someone with a MULTI riffle). Sometime Mono will be better sometime Exp will be better.
     
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    Well if it's EXP/AP you take 3 at half ARM so it would follow Mono/EXP would be 3 at 12 and instagib

    Nice
     
  5. mittenninja

    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    There are new skill charts in Daedelus Falls, YU Jing spec ops can take dual wield.
     
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    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    But how do you determine which damage value takes precedence? You combine both ammo types and they both have differing damage value
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Monofilament has a fixed damage of 12 that can never be modified.

    Bear in mind there's an FAQ coming before the book's official release so there might be something there.
     
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    I'm missing a pdf. Neither of the base trooper in the profile pdf has an innate Dual Wield on the zanshi and celestial guard Infinity Spec-Op. And the rule pdf talks about it but without any further adjustment. Now, i'm not saying it isn't possible to select Dual Wield as 1 of your 3 skills... it is not in army yet. How many XP do they charge ?
     
  9. Brother Smoke

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    EXP does not have a damage value, the rule only specifies "3 arm rolls per impact suffered"
    Monofilament specifies "fixed damage value of 12"

    ergo, 3 rolls at 12
     
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    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    Okay, same question but now EXPccw + Knife?
     
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    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    It's in the campaign rules in the new book. Dual wield is 1 XP
     
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    Robock Well-Known Member

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    easy one : it only work on CCWeapons. Not on pistol+knife.
     
  13. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Yes, CCWs are a distinct thing, Dual Wield needs actual CCWs not just any weapon with the CC Trait.
     
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    And they will all be Anti-material and a single failed ARM will instantly cause the door/AC2 to be removed or a hole in the wall to open, no?
     
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    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    Awesome, thanks guys
     
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    i agree on that. it combine effects of the special ammo, and Dam=PH is not an effect of the EXP ammo type, but of the CCWeapon.
     
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    What i always dreamed of, was DA+EXP. but i guess it won't actually cause 6 saves. If DA was 1 extra and EXP 2 extra saves, that would combine into 3 extra saves (for a combined total of 4 saves only). But really, we are combining "make 2 saves" with "make 3 saves" which could be contradictory.... although you could read it as 2 lines and thus make 5 saves in two salvo (roll 2 and roll 3).
     
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    Pretty much yeah IMO
     
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    They might not have released the new Spec Ops system yet, but they have disabled Celestial Guard spec ops in IA and Zhanshi spec ops in ISS.
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    That fits with the updated profiles PDF, Spec-Ops are now a loadout for certain troop types rather than something distinct
     
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