Yes, provoking an ARO when out of LoF then moving into engaged state is a common (and intended by the designers) tactic for melee troops. A good reason not leave troopers unsupported next to a corner, always try to have a buddy watch their back.
There are no situation possible that make this possible : force a change facing ARO then do a CC attack To do a CC attack, you need to reach base to base during your first move so CC attack and dodge are available as an ARO The only way to force your opponent to do a change facing would be to move out of LoF (without stealth active) then as a second action to move and reach base to base. The your CC attack will be part of a second order (with CC attack or dodge as an ARO). I can't find any advantage doing that (except losing an order)
Maybe i'm missing some points (i'm really new to this rules) but if: First Short Skill: A Declare Move inside the ZC of B but outside his LoF, B have the chanche to react to an ARO. If he do not declare an ARO he lose the opportunity to delcare it for the entire Order Second Short Skill: A declare CC since it reached Base To Base Contact with A. Now A cannot declare ARO vs this CC Attack since he should have declare ad ARo on the First Short Skill (maybe Change Facing or something elese) or, if it did'nt, it lost the possibility to declare ARo for the Entire Order
Being Engaged grants LoF, so it's not possible to enter base contact without granting the opponent LoF. So if your trooper reaches base contact with the first skill the opponent can always declare CC Attack or Dodge.
You are missing something here : to declare CC attack as a second short skill, you need to be base to base at the end of the first skill. So it should be (edited part underlined) : B is base to base with A so they are now "engaged". 180° arc doesn't matter here, they both have LoF to each other. B can declare ARO : dodge or CC attack This come from the Line of Fire part of the rules (http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Line_of_Fire_(LoF)#LoF_of_Figures_in_CC)
But how? The sentences is still there. If B had the opportunity to declare ARO for the First Short Skill since A is inside his CZ but there is no LoF at the moment A is activated i loose the opportunity to delcare ARO for the whole order. So B can't declare dodge or CC Attack because B is no more eligible for an ARO (since he already declared ad ARO while A was activating/moving or because he renounced to declare ARO on the first short skill). I'm surely missing some point on this, i'm confused
Player A activates their trooper First short skill is Move into base to base granting LoF Player B can now declare his ARO, as he has LoF to player A's trooper CC Attack and Dodge are Valid Second Short Skill is CC Attack. Rolls are face to face.
There are two possible options, depending where you are at the end of your first short skill (move, without stealth, out of B 180° LoF arc) : 1) 1st short skill : A end up base to base with B => B and A both has LoF on each other (see my quote below) so : - B can declare CC attack as an ARO - 2nd short skill can be CC attack 2) 1st short skill : A end up not in base to base contact with B => B doesn't have LoF on A but A is in B ZoC so : - B can only declare change facing as an ARO (or declare nothing and loose his ARO) - 2nd short skill cannot be CC attack (because you are not base to base) Line of Fire part of the rules regarding troopers base to base (http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Line_of_Fire_(LoF)#LoF_of_Figures_in_CC)
Your Example is Clear, but i'm adding something more detailed here I'm pointing at this line: In this precise moment B Have the opportunity to declare an ARO towards A. But he decline to do since it have not LoF towards him (only in CZ). This sentence in the rules prevent the rest of your example: The Reactive Player must declare AROs for all eligible troopers immediately after the Active Player declares his Entire Order or the first Short Skill of his Order (see: Order Expenditure Sequence). Troopers that fail to do so lose their ARO against that Order. If, by declaring the second Short Skill of its Order, the active trooper gives ARO to enemy troopers that did not have ARO against the first Short Skill, then those enemy troopers can declare their AROs. This point is giving me Headhace.
How can B not have LoF to A when they are Engaged before B gets a chance to declare his first ARO? Physically moving your trooper is part of a Move declaration and must be done before B would get a chance to ARO. Remember that the Engaged state provides 360 degree LoF to everyone in base contact.
if you are declaring a Move, then that declaration must includes where you are moving otherwise it is not a declaration. Only once you completed* your declaration then the reactive player can immediately declare his AROs. *declaration also includes actually moving the model, from the move & measuring rule : The sequence of events would be: Move declaration, clarifying the direction and the intention of the trooper's final location, measuring, and declaration of the real movement's ending point.
I think this solve my whole doubt. The point is i can declare ARo at the End of his movement right? So doing this at the end of his movement i'm in B2B contact so i have LoF of 360 and at this point i Have an ARO, right? (so i can declare CC attack, dodge or... even BS?)
Not just that, but the Declaration step also also includes measuring and then physically moving the trooper.
I'm feeling really dumb about it. Sorry The tricky part for me was: i have to "wait" untile the end of the first Short Skill to check LoF and eligibility of the ARO, Not only at the start.
It's a complex game with a lot of nuances, we've all had moments when there's been a struggle to grok something followed by a realisation and feeling of idiocy :)
This all assumes no stealth correct? Otherwise if a moves into b2b outside of lof with stealth no aro is generated until the second short skill is declared assuming it's an attack.
Yeah, no stealth or other skills. Just plain rules. The thing that messed with me was the fact that i can (for example) try to BS attack someone behind my back while is engaged with me. That was confusing me a lot!
