There are a few. Not that many 'though! But it's far from unique. I must say, I'm becoming more and more of the opinion that the Crusade Fireteam is a trap. You are paying a lot for Joan and not actually getting any real benefit from her. At range you want he Hospitaller HMG, in close you want the Hospitaller Shotgun, and even in the rare case where you want to CC Joan isn't bringing that much more to the table. Going with a straight Hospitaller Core with better support options just seems better at this point, and it's a heck of a lot less fragile!
What Joan brings, is the warcor and the tech bee... And a reasonably sturdy Lt, but yeah, i think it's a bit of a trap too. Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
Not so many. ATM I only remember Joan (Not Mobility), Tarik AP Rifle and Multi Rifle Kusanagi, but probably there are more. @AdmiralJCJF , you realize that Joan is the better CC unit in this army? And that is an extra value when you want to defend against impersonators.
Yu Jing also has the Hsien MULTI-Rifle Lieutenant. Kasym Beg also has a +1 SWC Lietenant profile for Haqqislam.
I get that Joan is good in CC, but the range of situations where you actually want to use her CC over the Boarding Shotgun Hospitaller is... narrow. And, sure, she's bringing along a couple of orders more for 8 pts and that's solid... but if you ditch her then you can bring in an Order Sergeant (which more than makes up the difference). Something like this doesn't seem to leave much behind while still being a brutal hammer of an offensive team, with better support: Military Orders ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 35) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Lieutenant MULTI Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 35) ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) SPEC. SERGEANT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21) PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) GROUP 2 4 PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) TRAUMA-DOC (Father-Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Don't get me wrong, I think Joan can be amazing. I just think that you are wasting a lot of her potential if you are locking her into a Fireteam. Something like this, for example, can be a lot of fun (and effective): Military Orders ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 8 2 3 JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23) WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (Fireteam: Haris, MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 36) ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) GROUP 2 5 SPEC. SERGEANT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21) MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) TRAUMA-DOC (Father-Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) SPEC. SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher + AUXBOT_1 / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 19) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) 6 SWC | 298 Points Open in Infinity Army And it's getting a lot more use out of Joan than you actually get from her in the Crusade Fireteam. That's one of the most hilarious parts of the changes to the Crusade Fireteam, it didn't need a Nerf AT ALL and yet somehow got one.
I feel the opposite. Too spamy and only one reliable weapon platform, the HMG. Some people like the Magisters but i played them sometimes and i will never trust my offensive on guys that cant shoot anything after 2 orders because they run out of ammo and must cross the entire table dodging.
If your Magisters aren't in the enemy deployment zone by the end of Turn 1 then your game has probably gone sideways. Well, apart from those opponents who fill the midfield with fun things. Sometimes you can spend a whole game CCing skirmishers.
Joan brings two cheap orders and here own lieutenant order to be a coordinated order + 1 more wound on your lieutenant. The streghst of this list is alpha strike with 11 orders one turn 1. Having a g2 you give up that strength. I disagree that the hosp team is better without her. You can do very viable core hosp link but that is just not the same tactical use. This is the best LI pain teain list I could do. Not optimal imho compared to Joan link Military Orders──────────────────────────────────────────────────10 KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 35) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43) BROTHER KONSTANTINOS Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33) DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) 6 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army Edit :Or this is a little better imho : Military Orders──────────────────────────────────────────────────10 3 MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (Fireteam: Haris, MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 36) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) BROTHER KONSTANTINOS Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33) MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) 5 SWC | 299 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
The best part of Joan in a crusader link is abusing the enemy's smoke grenades to get into CC. I know VaulSC had done that in one of his videos, its brutal.
I mean, you just shoot morlocks instead of CCing them. The enemy throwing down smoke was an attempt by VaulSC to stop the crusader links firepower, instead he just got CC. Is this very situational, yes. But its damn fun to watch when it happens.
Ohh, just remembered my 1st list played after the upgrade Military Orders ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 8 2 KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 35) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38) JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50) TEUTONIC KNIGHT (Fireteam: Haris, Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Panzerfaust / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 36) TEUTONIC KNIGHT (NCO) Spitfire / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 39) ORDER SERGEANT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) 6.5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army
And risk 20% of "auto-kill" on Joan ? (I would like to remind that we are discussing of situation when you want to use Joan and smoke to kill WB with CC)
