I was thinking that it may be useful to keep one or 2. But when you look at the profiles, which one doe you actually use. The best is the HMG profile, but the SWC is a little much if you are going to be using the Asawira Spitfire. The Sniper has potential, since it covers range bands the spitfire can't, and low SWC costs. The ML and other weapons don't catch my eye. Since the Lasiqs have harris now, Leila wildcard may be better outside of the core. Which may make the KHD with boarding shotgun a potencial choice for up close work, and counter hacking to protect your asawira. Hassassin Bahram ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 5 ASAWIRA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 43) GOVAD Sniper Rifle / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25) GOVAD Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 23) AVICENNA Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) HASSASSIN HUSAM YASBIR (Holoprojector L1) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 27) 3 SWC | 145 Points Open in Infinity Army
This is the main thing for me: the Govad HMG isn't the only profile with msv1. The rifle govads get a lot better in a mobile midfield link, so you don't need to rely on the hmg to do the heavy lifting. bs17 spitfire for shooting squishy targets, rifles and shotguns with msv for infiltrators and heavier targets with visual mods is pretty exciting imo. edit: We do still get the 1.5 swc option without fatality though, so nothing really has to change if the 1 dmg drop isn't a big deal. I appreciate this modality they gave us to fill swc if you have some left over.
Eyy, the one part of Haqq that I like is getting great stuff. Is this an early Easter gift or something?
Yeah, and if you find another point, you can add a warcor. Well, to be fair, BS11 (14-3 for mimetism/camo) with B5 Dam 14 weapon is still better than BS 12 with B4 Dam 13 weapon for removing something with a visual mod. The main selling point of an assault-y Govad is that you get a piece that can operate in Jammer range without being isolated. Maybe even get a sight on it and remove if for the rest to advance. MSV1 is just a nice bonus because it will help to keep its confidence discovering or shooting camo-bearing Jammer variants (because failing Discover roll against such an obstacle is not good; losing a shootout against it with a classic 1W model is also not ideal). KHD Govad is indeed a somewhat interesting choice here because he can cover several roles also including protecting Asawiras. 0,5 SWC is not a terrible price to pay for that IMHO - we can always use up all of our SWC, but we don't absolutely have to. And here we are getting some real benefit for that instead of +1 Dam :/ But the problem is, he's not ideal if you will actually directly confront those possible Jammers with him because he will have to stay out of DTW range in case that's a Mutt or a mine and not a Jammer. BSG is not ideal there, at all. Besides, if you are running Govads+Asawiras, you probably have Leila there already unless you want 3 actual Govads or 2 Govads and Avicenna (which will probably only be there if you don't use second Asawira) or Yasbir (why would you?). Another one could be Number 2. Already abundant in Asayib Core, this rule can be handy in a "Govad" Core. Say, if you worry about facing another HB, rich on Jammers, but unlikely to be hacking-heavy. I mean, at least this can provide a chance of stalling your opponent by 1-2 orders if you get caught with your pants down in reactive turn. But that's not a given. Oh, and having rifles, they won't have to shoot from +0 rangeband if you suspect that camo marker can be a mine and not a Jammer. It's actually the best profile for that particular task, probably. Finally, Sniper rifle or HMG can indeed be helpful against those mimetic arseholes with long-ranged weapons and covered by cheap and angry chaff that make Fiday lives harder (hello, Varuna). This is still the best we can do against that kind of pieces, but at least now you don't have to buy 5 Govads to use this function. But remember that those folks will only have their pistols for CQC (albeit linked and visor-ed), and so won't really work well enough for actually confronting Jammers in CQC, and not shooting something else while standing in the vicinity of what can be a Jammer. This new Govad Core is pretty weird, being honest...
Yeah I'm torn on it. Range and Dam 15 versus Dam 14 + burst + DAM 13 light shotgun with X-Visor. I think the sniper could be better on the approach, but once you're in that 8-32" sweet spot, the VR with X-Visor and Leila's SMR can clean house and keep anything with 1W, Dogged, and NWI down. Its a good thing to be torn about. Also, is there a consensus about what Fatality actually represents? Is that some troops have slightly better training than others (e.g., some Lasiqs are better marksmen) or is that they have weapons with superior damage capacity (because of their size or experimental design)? I feel like it could be either with Lasiqs, obviously the latter for TAGs, somewhere in the middle for Khawarijs? Or is it just is however fits the balance of that particular unit?
Wait I just realised Asawiras can joing Miyub links. That means Hasassins can HI pain train too. Big yay.
They could have just dropped the Lasiq change and nothing else and I'd be happy. New and exciting ways to field a troop that didn't see much table time for me is quite welcome. The rest? I honestly don't seeing it changing things up that much for me, but I'm glad other people are excited. I've never been inclined to bring Avicenna before, and he ability to put her in Govad links doesn't increase her appeal. Leila was already basically an auto include for me and could already join the links I take the most. The extra ability to now have her in an aggressive Lasiq haris is absolutely stellar. Unfortunately I don't think Wildcard does that much for Yasbir. The rare times that I take him, it's as an infiltrator. The added flexibility of putting him with Govad/Lasiq/Ghulam doesn't really increase his appeal for me, but i'm curious to see if folks come up with new ways to use him. Asawira are in a similar boat as Leila. They were already great, but being able to join a full core is a nice novelty for them. i've been known to run aggressive 5 man muyib cores before, the ability to swap out one or two with an Asawira just for fun is a nice change of pace. Sticking them with Govad it less appealing, but that's mostly because I don't find myself running Govad cores at all. That being said while we didn't get a Govad wildcard, if you squint real hard and look at it sideways, we did kind of get the ability to add two Govad to an Asawira Haris. So you could do something like what was suggested earlier:: Hassassin Bahram ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 5 ASAWIRA Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 39) ASAWIRA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 43) GOVAD Rifle + Light Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21) GOVAD Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) 2 SWC | 143 Points Open in Infinity Army And you could certainly save points on that by not running the Asawira doctor. I don't really see the value in running a 3rd Govad in that spot, so if you wanted to keep five man, either run a cheaper Asawira, or, and this is definitely an exception to my earlier statements, you could run Avicenna if you wanted to keep a doctor on the team but save 12 points. Or I guess you could bring Yasbir. He's also only 27 points and brings...better CC than the Asawira? I'm not sure what the appeal would be, but then I'm probably not thinking about him creatively enough. Regardless, as I mentioned before, even if it doesn't change a lot of what I personally do with the faction, the update is super welcome, but more importantly it's a great gesture to show that CB is paying attention and cares. It an excellent example of them taking advantage of a lving rules system, and I want to do everything I can to encourage them to keep doing this.
I love what Leila has become. She's a magnificent sculpt, an efficient profile, and a lot of fun. Wildcard in every sectorial makes her an autoinclude, but in the best possible way. I just assume that Haqqislam spec ops teams all have agents like her. Do other factions have any equivalent characters? Universally available and useful? I'm not as keen on the Asawira changes. I mean, I love the unit. I love the models. But I dunno if HB needed a pain train equivalent? This feels a little less tricky than I want from HB. But the changes are overall very nice and elegant. CB is being very kind to us. (Anyone else suspect that Ghazis are about to be nerfed and this is a preemptive apology?)
Actually it's an interesting point. Re-linking things may open up some weird builds for us like having a Lasiq core with 2 Snipers (not easly dismantled by some armies/lists) and a Haris profile (plus Leila) which you can use for defense on your first reactive turn, and then just forming a Haris with survivors (so probably not snipers) and a backup Core from whatever else you've brought (for example, to serve as defensive link on your 2nd reactive turn), probably Ghulams. You can use Yasbir simply for his ability to be a part of both cores to save a space for 10th unit in that combat group that isn't supposed to be in one of those 2 links (like Fiday), although you'll need one of the snipers to survive if you want to reap all the benefits of this setup. This variant is... capricious. This concept is complicated and convoluted enough to not work, though :P At this point it makes sense to pretend that not all Hussam Operatives are Leila, and they are to Haqqislam-sanctioned HB operations what Daoyings are to IA deployments. Because she's freaking everywhere across entire Human sphere. That is, unless HB knows how to properly copy a cube before its insertion into new host.
What if you don't need them? :P Frankly, that Lasiq thing above is a trainwreck. Feel free to disregard that.
Diomedes has a number of memory gaps from missions his cube didn't survive. Outrage also touches on cube backups and memory differentials as a plot point.
Esteemed shayks, please keep in mind we still don't know everything we should. Once again, Bostria effendi has shown us a flash of truth, like a lady's face from behind her veil. We aren't there yet, however. Wait, o brothers. Just seven more days, and they we will be able to pass an infomred judgement. Myself, I'm happy to see Lasiq Haris. The Hassassin Lasiq needed this like their breathing air. I'm somewhat disappointed they have to rely on a Wildcard to have a Specialist in the team. I am not convinced by the Fat1 options - Viral weapons, once they hit, do hit like a samum. Especially the Viral Sniper Rifle. Luckily, this skill is just a variant for the Lasiq, and I guess - while I'm definitely going to give it a try - I'll stick to the classic variant.
I think Yasbir Wildcard to be mostly used with a forward moving Lasiq haris. The smoke/CC is a nice option, and the Lasiqs always needed a specialists in their link to make them usable. If planning on using the Lasiq defensively, I think Leila is better choice to add to them. The Marksman rifle has better range, and you can use the Barids pitcher to get her KHD used offensively.
Unfortunately, the linkable Yasbir profile doesn't bring smoke, only his infiltrating profile has that. That's always been my big issue with him. Specialist, decent CC and a nanopulser aren't bad, but any link he can join Leila could too and she was almost always a better option, and unless I'm missing something, he still has the same problem now. Unless you're really starved for points, I don't see the value in bringing him over an Asawira to a Govad or Muyib link if you want the DT and CC options. As for the Lasiqs, if you want to bring a specialist with an aggressive link,Yasbir and Leila are your only options, but I think Leila is still better. She's cheaper, and the haris is still going to have light shotguns to help deter close range threats. Now, if they made Yasbir dogged like other Muyibs, that'd be an entirely different story.
So I've seen this thought floating around: Do we think Lasiqs are loosing their core option, or is it just that the profile shown was vanilla (my assumption based on the ava 2)? Theorycrafting: Would losing core even matter if the Haris is efficient and deadly enough, especially with out new wildcards?
