Daedalus Fall

Discussion in 'News' started by Ben Kenobi, Mar 4, 2019.

  1. Aldo

    Aldo Spare 15

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    If by party time you mean CC18 vs CC18+... Then sure, its party time.
     
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  2. krossaks

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    Total inmunity, climb plus, specialist and E/marat in just a porfile. (+ spitfire if you want) don't know in rammah for cost but in vanilla she can be a monster
     
  3. Janzerker

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    So designers have done it again, they have found another way to cheat the game system. To the frenzy state/link interaction exploit and the SMG abuse they now add the "how to make an affordable HI? easy, just make it a LI with NWI and any skill that prevents shock."

    I was afraid of that upon seeing Dart profile but now it's a fact, the tag of HI is a scam as it just means " vulnerable to hacking and E/M while doubling the cost of the skills added". Such a genius move designers: you have screwed up the HI units in this game.
     
  4. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    Move in and tank the HFT, CC with a normal roll. If that isnt enough, pull her Duo partner in. Hell fuck it, just use the E-Marat while moving in.
    As I said in another place, more CC prowess wouldnt have hurt for her, but she can do a lot of stuff, when necessary.
     
  5. Knauf

    Knauf Transhumanist

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    It also means ARM 3+, but I agree that the sudden proliferation of NWI + Bio/Shock/Total Immunity is a bit worrying.
     
  6. Abrilete

    Abrilete Well-Known Member

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    And better PH and BTS. Stats are expensive past certain point, that's what make HI expensive.
    Also, true HI can be brought up again by a Doctor (or Medikit, with reasonable chances thanks to high PH) after going unconscious.
     
  7. Melchior

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    Oh sweet Prophet! gonna keep playing QK and slowly paint up Ramah
     
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  8. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    Ditching Azra'ils is surely the first sign of how silly things are right now.
     
  9. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Take a gander at IA profiles, then compare Dart with Zhencha and you'll see what Janzerker means.
     
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  10. MrMorphine482

    MrMorphine482 Well-Known Member

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    Sad to see the Hawwa & Sekban go though.
     
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  11. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    Gonna be honest, I think we all must have known Sekban were going to go.
     
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  12. MrMorphine482

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    Not inaccurate, but I originally picked up a box for my swordmaster because they made me think of his old unit (aside from the naval part; he was Ranger). Just a shame is all.
     
  13. Geodron

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    It does feel like the end of an era for me. The Azra'il was my first painted Infinity model and still my favorite.

    As for RTF, ImI happy with Janissaries in the faction.
     
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  14. Janzerker

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    You need to check the stats of the new HI units that received Invincible and think again. Some of them have even worse PH / BTS stats than your Tohaa simbiont armor units. And you just said it, you highlighted the term "true HI". My point is that the tag HI now it only supposes "the unit gets some very threatening vulnerabilities while having the cost of the skills assigned increased" . The tag HI is now just a debuff with no advantages. It doesn't imply extra PH, no extra BTS, no extra wounds and shock inmunity, nothing. Just a debuff. Then… why bother making a unit HI? Just make it LI or MI, that's what units like Yadu, Dart and the new Haqq supersoldiers are showing.

    For what is worth Haqq just received some new units that have the resilience of HI and combat stats of an elite unit while being cheaper because they can pack more skills for the same cost because they don't have the HI tax. And of course invulnerable to hacking.
     
  15. -Ghost-

    -Ghost- Shalashaska

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    It's also comparing a character profile with an AVA 4 Skirmisher.
     
  16. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    @Janzerker since when armour 1-2 is the same resilience with HI?
     
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  17. Mahtamori

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    GW is that way. -->

    Janzerker is talking about discounts. Being a character isn't affording profiles discounts, only more attention to details and access to stuff normal units of the same type wouldn't get.
    Hence, point stands. The two profiles are remarkably similar except the Dart has a lot more going for it, not least of which is unhackable, and as such should be noteably more expensive.

    However, where the comparison differs to Janzerker's point is that both employ the same discount "trick" with NWI. (Except that the HI does it worse)
     
  18. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Well as a design direction I like it for "extremely light HI" and the ones in Ramah are genetically altered supersoldiers so it makes a lot of sense.
     
  19. injenegr

    injenegr Well-Known Member

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    since when armour stopped to be most useless and expensive stat:)?
     
  20. MrMorphine482

    MrMorphine482 Well-Known Member

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    *shrug*
    I'm still gonna get the Namurr and enjoy our little Battle Angel Arjuna. :P
     
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