New Sectorals - Haqq Speculations

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Cannon Fodder, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. Palomides

    Palomides Well-Known Member

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    Halqa are rumored to be Khanate, not Caliphate. That means you're dead right about this hole in RTF, which we wouldn't really expect to see in our "high tech" sectorial. I'd like to see supportware, however, rather than KHDs. Haqqislam has a bit of a defensive vibe for it with Doc+ and HDs buffing remotes fits into that same kind of theme.
     
  2. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    Um, no. The Asawira are present to watch the Hassassin.

    Asawira Regiment

    The Asawira Regiment is a formidable attack force in the service of Haqqislam. A small group chosen from among them comprises the personal guard of the Shah. The remainder act as elite heavy troops and are one of the tools that keep the Hassassin sect under the supervision of the Haqqislamite High Command.
     
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  3. Barrogh

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    As much as it's fun to sometimes imagine that Djan's MSV2 and Khwariji's Poison are actually there not through their gear, it's a bit... off. I think I can get behind the notion that Haqq bio-engineering is there to make the best out of human form rather than to reach out to transhuman territory, that would be rather fitting to Haqq general fluff.

    Besides, the mental image of Scavenging MSV2 from such a unit would be... disturbing.

    On topic of Zhayedan core, ouch. You are looking at a link that costs almost as much as Hospitalier/Janissary killdozers (with Magister knights / Hafzas, obviously), but dies basically like Ghulam. One or two of them in a Ghulam link (MMS2 profiles, obviously) would be amazing though. That means, however, that you shouldn't be relying on your vets to carry you through LoL.
     
  4. david_lee

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    All I want from Ramah is Ghulam and Naffatun mixed links
     
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  5. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    That would be pretty sweet.
    Zayedan and Khwarijis haris is also on a wishlist. I guess the latter will definitely at least generate enough salt to justify their placement on the table.
     
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  6. mittenninja

    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    Especially when the Khawarij get their HRL profile.
     
  7. Palomides

    Palomides Well-Known Member

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    Agreed re: Zhayedan Core. They'll only really be viable mixed with Ghulam and Naffatun, sort of like Highlander Greys.

    I wonder if we'll get another CoC model in RTF. It would certainly fit the elite fluff, and would mechanically enable Tarik and other aggressive LTs.
     
  8. 8vius

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    I think with the Djan the argument is that their regeneration is there because of genetic enhancement.
     
  9. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    The difference between a Zhayedan a Govad Core is around 30 points. This is not too much for what they can do in my opinion with the MMSLV2 profiles. We are talking about 18s or 21s to hit against troops in cover. The non MMSLV2 profiles could be a bit cheaper for sure, but despite that, I think they are viable as a core and will definitely try to make them work.


    For the Khawarij HRL I have high hopes...this profile would even be great in vanilla. Park him in total cover and surprise them with jump shots:-D
     
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  10. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    @emperorsaistone
    The problem of mine is that I already think that Govads are basically Ghulam but 7 points more expensive for marginal benefits, and that's in a sectorial with 5-8 pts guys that can wreck your day (and good CoC for that matter).

    Zhayedan are even more expensive for no gain in staying power. And lack of points is not conductive to either countering enemy shenanigans aimed at killing vulnerable models, or having backup plans.
     
  11. mittenninja

    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    They do have automedikits and doctor profiles, that makes them more difficult to remove. Plus with the marksmanship, they are much more frightening on the offensive.
     
  12. 8vius

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    Also having the Veteran skill on a link team I'd say is super useful considering spending irregular orders of link members breaks them up, if you lose your Lt, your fireteam does not lose efficiency.
     
  13. Barrogh

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    Automedikits are good in that doc will be able to get himself up. Other than that, docs are the same as in every other link that isn't Govads.

    Their hitting power is good though, but in pure Core you're paying the double.
     
  14. Agorapocalypse

    Agorapocalypse Namurr and Nahab are girlfriends

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    You guys should remember too, that we have another AD unit besides the Ragik and its the Bashi Bozouks in QK. So there is a solid chance Rama wont get an AD trooper, however CB does LOVE their AD troops and might just make a 3rd one anyways. Also, yes Halqas are not for Rama, they are in the khanate. I would love to see a new MSV2 unit though because Djans usually just dont cut it for me personally.
     
  15. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    What do you expect this hypothetical MSV2 unit to be, especially with vanilla context in mind?
     
  16. TaHu

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    Edit: Sorry guys, new forum is strange, I saw it in popular and thought that it is general speculation thread. Hope you will get sectorial too, Kawariji and Zhayedan have great minis.
     
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  17. Agorapocalypse

    Agorapocalypse Namurr and Nahab are girlfriends

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    Djans fill the generic MI msv2 defence troop role, id want to look towards Yu Jing for examples as id want either a lighter maybe cheaper msv2 option like the bao troops, or a more expensive HI/supersoldier MSV2 aggression unit.

    EDIT: Alternatively, if we got a non rem unit with triangulated fire and sensor, id be super happy aswell.
     
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  18. Palomides

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    This is one of the difficulties with the Faction and Sectorial/Subfaction design. Plugging a hole in a sectorial often leads to superfluous units in Vanilla. I expect an AD trooper in Ramah, because I can't think of any sectorial without one off the top of my head. But it will need to be distinct from the Ragik and the Bashi.

    A hypothetical MSV2 AD trooper would be suitably unique, also allowing this unit to be distinct from the Djanbazan. The Ragik and Bashi are also lacking a Doctor+ profile, which would certainly fit into what we know about RTF. An AD2-3 combat doctor+ dropping in with AP Rifle+LSG would be fun and thematic.

    As for vanilla MSV2, I'd expect a new unit to be an aggressive hunter. LI with 4-4, BS12, Spitfire rather than HMG, Shock Marksman Rifle, and the usual Rifle + LSG. This should be suitably distinct from Zhayedan, who relies on Marksmanship, and the higher mobility and stats of the Khawarij.
     
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  19. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    I wouldn't say MSV2 is a necessity or even a given, MM2 is as good as MSV1 against camo/ODD in cover, and with a core link the Zhayedan sniper is hitting ODD/TO on 12s.
     
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  20. Keyrott

    Keyrott Nomad Handyman

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    JSA unfortunately, I'm waiting for my heavy armored AD samurai.

    Also Caledonia
     
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