This is easily explained. Neckbeard A: “I don’t want female space marines, it destroys established lore.” Neckbeard B: “That’s misogyny!” Neckbeard A: “No, wtf just fuck off with your female space marines!” Neckbeard B: “NAWMAWGAWD LOOK AT THIS MISOGYNY AT WAHMEN!” Female onlooker: “.... yeah.. no ty..”
Not at all! If anything, characterising the debate as something that only men have an interest in reveals nothing more than preconceptions...
Ah yes, the severely damaged video game and movie industries, you barely see any new releases any more... Look man, I'm going to be honest, I think you have a very skewed idea of like, what has happened in those industries. I think you're conflating "destruction of the industry" with "no longer catering to my desires alone." Like your argument is that these industries are being "subverted" here but that's almost some conspiracy theory shit.
A: I find things like combat heels and the oversexualized portrayal of women in Infinity to be inappropriate and they are the reason why women don't engage with the hobby, so we should get rid of them. B: This is the style the artists are going for and they are obviously happy with it, so who are we to tell them otherwise? Also, there is no evidence that women would engage more frequently with Infinity if those things were abolished. We also don't know whether CB is interested in sacrificing their artistic vision for the possibility of attracting more female customers. A: *Points to other industries that have made sweeping changes* It sort of worked for these companies, so why wouldn't CB do it, too? C: It hasn't worked for those companies at all, you crazy leftist. He is right in a way. Battlefield 5 was a commercial failure and a PR nightmare, which was largely attributed to the concessions to identitarian notions of the developers and their former CDO. The industry as a whole is still intact and well, but there are specific examples that do prove his point. One must be careful not to generalize though.
To elaborate; the discussions I have are rarely about objectification per se. My girlfriend, for instance, is perfectly happy with the idea that humans will inevitably objectify attractiveness. The problem is more with the male gaze - that is to say the way that cultural objects are tailored to only one gender's taste. Speaking personally, and without needing to signal anything, I really rather enjoy reading fiction that doesn't have such preoccupations, as it's good fiction. Nothing more, nothing less. Heteronormative stuff only partly interests me (after all, I can't say I don't like Arslan ;) ). Likewise, I found Black Panther much more stimulating and interesting than Infinity War. The women I've spoken to just wish that, in the field of comics and graphic novels (for instance), there were more voices from different backgrounds, with moE diverse perspectives. Look at the explosion of boardgames, and the diversity of subjects matter there. If there were a similar renaissance in tabletop gaming aesthetics and mechanics, I'm fairly certain you'd see a similar expansion.
Are you honestly this dumb, or are you merely trolling now? Activision Blizzard; -44.2% Electronics Arts; -40.1% TakeTwo Interactive; -27.5% This is in merely 2 years, and the stocks have been in free fall. You’re sounding like a flat earther man. Honestly, why did you even reply to my first post when you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about? Edit: are you seriously suggesting that when I say that those franchises are failing, you’re saying that the entire industry will just stop producing any content..? Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying...
Companies went under before gamergate happened you moron. Just because something happened after a thing doesn't mean that thing was caused by it. Heard of Fortnite? The massive rise of ultra-popular games like that? The video game industry which is growing year by year? Literally has never been larger? Literally has never been projected to be as big as it's potentially going to be? Google the numbers! They're really easy to find! Yes, some companies are doing poorly. This has always been the case. Other companies are doing well! And the industry grows and changes! Your problem is that you see this as an argument where you can tie economic success to whether something is worthwhile or not, but then if something is against what you want, it's unsuccessful.
Newzoo: Games market expected to hit $180.1 billion in revenues in 2021. Above: Games are expected to grow from $137.9 billion in 2018 to $180.1 billion in 2021. The global games market is expected to grow from $137.9 billion in 2018 to more than $180.1 billion in 2021, according to market researcher Newzoo.30 Apr 2018 Yes The industry It's dying RIP VIDEO GAMES THOSE GIRLS KILLED YOU
But not all of this is due to leftist ideas taking over video games. Predatory monetization schemes, shoddily crafted games, the milking of beloved franchises and overall bad PR are contributing factors as well. Game companies are being run more and more profit driven which stands in stark contrast to the more romantic notions of video game development and consumption of the past.
Isn't another possibility of this that developers with a narrow aesthetic or appeal are not reacting to the opening of the gaming market to new demographics? Pokemon Go, for instance, whilst maybe not hardcore gaming seemed ubiquitous for a while, across all sorts of age and gender sections.
@Solar Okay... so you ARE actually suggesting that what I mean with a franchise doing bad is equal to the entire industry stopping with output. Jesus, you can’t be this dumb there must be a giant misunderstanding here. The quoted companies are all companies that have suffered massive decline due to mostly woke developers pushing stupid agendas and treating the fansbase with contempt. Of course this is not ONLY why but a massive contributor.
This is possibly another contributing factor, although I don’t think Pokemon Go is the best example, as I don’t think it competes with “traditional” games. Like, I don’t think people who play Pokemon Go stops playing GTA4, rather they do both. I’m guessing.
... or, companies that successfully cultivated diverse consumer bases are doing much better in a wider ecosphere. More than one way to read this, without the wounded attitude.
Listen, son, you might think you're very smart with this "oh my god how can you be so stupid" business but you should probably understand that your entire line of reasoning is that the video game industry changed in its attitudes towards female representation and this has been bad for the industry whereas it has very clearly in fact not slowed industry growth at all. Now I am not going to say that there haven't been some ridiculous "boycotts" of games, movies etc due to them featuring women prominently, but the last big movie that did that took over a billion. The video game industry that has done that is thriving. This is not an economic death knell. So if you want to persuade me that not having combat heels will kill CB, well I mean, lol. But seriously, no. Maybe it'll make you quit the game! Perhaps. And I wouldn't want that :) but at the same time, I doubt it. And again, I ask. What is so bad about improving female representation that it alienates you? Because you seem to be really angry about it. Laughably so in fact
Infinity already does have great female representation, though. A good 40 % of my miniatures are female, which is already more than i'd expect in a game with a similar premise. What you are suggesting, however, seems to be altering the general design philosophy for a rather uncertain payoff.
@Solar I adore your smug little attitude and I equally adore your absurd statements like: “Boycotts due to featuring women prominently” No. Stop. This is why I’m calling you a freakish zealot, because you’re so unhinged and unable to perceive what the other side is telling you. When people are comparing about historical accuracy, when there’s black female Nazis in your game, that isn’t an attack on wahmen. When people are complaining about historical accuracy because a black British soldier with a katana on his back and a female cyborg arm is on a WW:II battlefield, then that’s neither an attack on black people nor wahmen. When Solo flopped so bad despite being a SW franchise, then this wasn’t because of muh misogyny and hatred of wahmen. Get it through your thick skull. Furthermore, you haven’t a single molecular shred of evidence that video game growth has anything to do with diversity. NONE of the top selling games of all time have fuck all to do with diversity and much more to do with innovation and stop injecting ideology in their games, which, surprise surprise, actually sells way better than the other shit.
And what downside, may I ask. Are people going to stop buying miniatures and playing the game because of no combat heels? Maybe, maaaaybe some losers, see above post, but eh. No real loss. And them going would make the community more welcoming for sure.
I don't think it would necessarily have financial repercussions tbh. My point is that we shouldn't dictate what style they want to use, especially if there is not a very good reason for it.
@Solar SJW neckbeard calling people losers. Top kek. Oh, I do hope the women around you are careful. SJW soyboys have this bizarre tendency to end up on sexual offence charges, for some reason.
We are allowed to say what style we think should be used though, like that is something we're allowed to say. It's a perfectly reasonable bit of criticism. That's not dictating anything, I can't make them change their designs after all.
