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Noone discussing NCA upcoming changes ?

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by eciu, Feb 25, 2019.

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  1. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    You guys dream big. Sorry to have to be the pessimist here but all I expect is some mix linked options for fusiliers and maybe a wildcard option. It would be amazing if bolts got a point reduction or haris option but I'm not holding my breath for that.
     
  2. Shrooms

    Shrooms Well-Known Member

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    As someone who collects lots of armies and sectorials, I want variety. So not a cookie-cutter knock-off of with Fusilier +Bolt.
    I’d happily leave Fusiliers at AVA5 with no/limited mixed links and focus attention on Bolt link options.
    High tech NCA - so Bolts + REM options.
    Baggage minesweeper. Rudra would be great too.
     
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  3. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    If I had to wishlist something, how about a new skill. Limited TO camo (gets reduced to ODD) for the Locust. Imagine how awesome that would be. But of course thats not going to happen. lol
     
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  4. ThananRollice

    ThananRollice Your Friendly Neighborhood Locust
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    While a pretty awesome idea, it would probably only increase the points cost.
     
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  5. Judge Dredd

    Judge Dredd Well-Known Member
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    Even a point or two increase that makes him more viable would be quite welcome. Alternatively they could trade out his CC stat for it
     
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  6. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    On second thought, perhaps a better idea would just be to give him limited camo. No need to make a new skill. Limited Camo would help protect him during the first turn and give him greater first strike capability and he'll still have ODD and stealth afterwards.
     
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  7. yoink101

    yoink101 Chandra SpecOps Complaint Department

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    I think that we’ll see mixed links almost exclusively.

    I wish the locust would get MA 3 and limited camo. I don’t understand why pano outside of knights can’t have martial arts. Or natural born warrior. That’d be neat on a locust too. Just something to make it okay that the locust is more expensive than the crocman.
     
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  8. Titus

    Titus Varuna Beach Commando

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    Maybe they just want to give NCA the MO treatment, so we have no other option but to buy the new VIRD.
     
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    yoink101 Chandra SpecOps Complaint Department

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    I should have read to the end before I posted. I would love to see this happen.
     
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  10. Doa

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    Only 1 orc in acon and even in vird orc are not a common choice over kamau.
    And thinking about what is best between aquila or an orc in a ft(despite list, mission etc etc) i choose the Aquila.
     
  11. Rebel-187

    Rebel-187 Well-Known Member

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    How about giving the Aquila NCO and Haris with Bolts?
     
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  12. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    My own personal wishlist would be

    -Bolts get a Combi+LSg adjustment in line with Aragotos, just to get people to shut up.
    -Bolts also get a cheaper Drop Bear profile, because it's weird how they pay an arbitrary amount for them.
    -Other than that, up to one Blackfriar (which are retitled Dominicans so they aren't named after a Flapjack brand also it's cooler) can join a Bolt link, and up to one Deva can join a Bolt link, so Bolts become the badass tacticool assault/CQB core team of the Sectoral. Also they get a Haris.
    -The ability to put Pathfinders and Fugazis in Fusilier links, to represent the technological and logistical capabilities of the Sectoral.
    -Aquila Guard get Advanced Command on their LT profiles and a HMG LT profile. Also they can join ORC Haris teams.
    -Bulleteers can duo
    -Hexas get Counterintelligence, and a Surprise Shot L2 Shock Marksman Rifle profile
    -Locust CAT gets a NCO profile of some sort.

    So basically a push for the massive resource capabilities of the Sectoral to come to the fore. Advanced Command, Counterintelligence and the ability to link REMs shows that these guys are a highly automated force with a lot of back-room support, Bolts getting lots of flexibility with other troops adding in shows how they are the lead but they are very flexible and have options for all tactical situations.

    I still think it's kind of lame how they get ORCs rather than a cool NCA HI which is linkable in core and Haris teams, which is what they would do for literally any other faction in the game, but whatever.
     
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    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Also Yadu are actually great and it would be really cool if they were in NCA, perhaps with the ability to link in with ORCs! That'd be sweet, up to one Yadu can join an ORC Haris, give ORCs core up to two Yadus can join a NCA Core fireteam of ORCs.

    But also replace ORCs in NCA with a cooler unit, urban assault specialists, that has a 360 visors, a Sniper Profile and an Auxbot with an Eclipse Smoke LGL profile. And Zero-G terrain because let's just make them Neocapitaline Marines.
     
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  14. Titus

    Titus Varuna Beach Commando

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    Bulleteers duo + Fusilier hacker would be just too good probably. So good you'd see them in every NCA list in my opinion.
     
  15. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    ?!?!? What would you gain by that? :-O
     
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    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    The proper military phrase is "in the rear with the beer" :innocent::laughing:



    Gives an excuse to kick Fusiliers out of NCA entirely.



    Yeah, the old surprise shot wasn't very fun.

    For those that didn't play it, old surprise shot was a normal roll with any ARO allowed if the target survived.



    I wouldn't cry. I think that the Aquila should have LT2, to match the fluff.

    I'm not sure who should have NCO and TacAware, though. It should be Bolts with TacAware, but it won't fix the underlying problem (that Bolts are 2pts more expensive than all other Combi+LSG troops, and 2pts more expensive again than all other Drop Bear troops, so a Link team is a minimum of 6pts more expensive than it should be). I can make a case that ORCs would be a good choice for NCO, though.

    Another problem I've seen with TacAware is that it becomes the no-brainer choice for a list.
    In IA, the standard Zuyong fireteam has Tai Sheng NCO, one or two TacAware HMGs, and the TacAware Tinbot, with a Wildcard or two to fill out the link.



    I don't think that's particularly unreasonable.

    I'd like to see an NCA ORC version that is basically a Bolt in an ORC suit (like how the Varuna ORC is a Kamau in an ORC suit), so ORC with Veteran L1 and Bioimmunity, possibly adding Drop Bears and/or EM 'nades to the usual ORC gear.



    There is not enough awesome in all of Spain to make the Bolts like Hudson Hawk. Sadly.



    I usually take 2 ORCs in VIRD: One HMG in the Core and Patsy in the Haris.
     
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  17. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    This is a nice idea, as well as Solar's suggestion of a proper urban fighting HI. The latter, however, sounds like a GdA/Santiago crossover, and as such is pretty unlikely.

    If NCA will ever get access to another Aleph unit Shukra is probably the best bet, but I doubt we'll see such additions this time. Some fireteam reshuffling, maybe point cost recalculations, that's about it.
     
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  18. MrNailbrain

    MrNailbrain Relentless Optimist

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    Why on earth would you want to give NCA ORCs Bioimmunity (except for fluffy reasons)? It literally doesn’t give them any benefits. As multiwound models they are already immune to Shock and Viral instagibs, and their ARM is higher than their BTS so you might as well take the Shock rolls on their ARM. All it would do is bloat their cost even further.

    Veteran, Drop Bears and E/M nades all sound mouth watering, though. I’ll take those in a heartbeat.

    Can we give Acon ORCs mines and LFTs then?
     
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  19. Golem2God

    Golem2God Just a Kooky Kumotail serving others.

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    I was always in this camp. Would giving MO the Swiss be too much of an advantage? I don't think so. Though I can see them being a go to unit for list building in larger point matches.
     
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    The Swiss guard are historically/actually a mercenary company in the employ of the Vatican, decidedly (and very specifically) nothing to do with any military order of knights. They have no place in MO thematically whatsoever.
     
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