Lieutnant Lvl 2 and executive Order

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Hero of Sparetime, Mar 1, 2019.

  1. Hero of Sparetime

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    Hello guys,

    what happen if a Model with executive Order (Hac Tao) will deploy and the Lieutnant is Lvl 2 (Daoying), will the "new" Lieutnant than also Lvl 2?

    greetings
     
  2. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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  3. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    @Arkhos94 Yes, but once the 2 Lt. orders are generated, the Hac Tao can then make use of both on the same turn he reveals himself. He will then, of course, provide 1 Lt. order on the following turns.
     
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  4. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    That's kind of a grey area : lieutenant order is granted by the lieutenant skill and is not part of the order pool so I'm not sure the second lieutenant order will transfer
     
  5. Robock

    Robock Well-Known Member

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    They might not be in the pool, but they are also not placed next to the Lt (as that would give away his identity). So they are pooled somewhere. And the XO doesn't recreate a new personal pool of 1 Lt order on the turn he reveals (if the Lt already spent the order, it is spent, not recreated). So he has access to spending the lt orders from the lt order pool. What if the lt already spent 1 lt order, can the XO spend the second ? What is actually "the second" ? Perhaps the Lt first spent the "LT2 order" leaving the "LT1 order" to be used later by the XO. But we know there is no LT1 and LT2 orders, there is only Lt Orders, and two copies of them were generated at the start of the turn.
     
  6. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone would ever BOTH Daoying AND Hac Tao Exo in the same list, but I do note that both LT1 and LT2 are "for their own use" and that Exo does not otherwise specify whether they can use those orders other than saying they become "lieutenant" (level omitted).

    Hell, army's will generate LT orders as long as they aren't in LoL, and it's not like the field promoted LTs ever get the LT Level 1 skill, either, so...
     
  7. Gorha

    Gorha New Member

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    [QUOTE = "Mahtamori, post: 215762, membro: 382"] Non credo che qualcuno sarebbe mai ENTRAMBI Sia Daoying che Hac Tao Nella mia lista, ma noto che sia LT1 che LT2 sono "per proprio uso" altrimenti se usare gli ordini oltre un dire che diventano "tenente".

    L'inferno, l'esercito genererà gli ordini LT finché non sono in LoL, e non è venuto se gli LT promossi sul campo mai più l'abilità LT livello 1, quindi ... [/ QUOTE]
    For me is not so clear
     
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  8. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    Remember that where not explicit, a Lt is Lt1.

    Anyway...
    Lt2. => Effects => Point 2

    • In addition, Lieutenant L2 grants the user a second Special Lieutenant Order. This extra Order is added to the first and, like the first, it is not included in the Order Pool.

    The additional order is meant to be used only for the Lt2 (underlined emphases mine)

    @Gorha Benvenuto!
     
  9. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    You're missing context because this thread has received a necro. At the time of posting there was a different thread running where that LT2 was not transferred was made clear and in context my note is not that EXO allows LT2 to be claimed, but with regards to the informal nature of how order expenditure works.

    As such my point stands that both levels of LT grants the user an LT order that only they can use. Ergo, we can not read LT2 rules and apply the level of RAW you do here because if we do the same to LT1, then EXO and CoC would be fully prevented from spending LT orders they did not generate.
     
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  10. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    A Lt2 model generates two Lieutenant Orders. It doesn’t generate a single Lt1 order and then an additional Lt2 order. There’s no way to tell which order is which, so therefore they are the same.

    Seems to me XO and NCO can both access both of them.
     
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