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Impetuous Move Direction Questions

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Vanderbane, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    AI Beacons and mines are trained enough to use cover ;)
     
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  2. kinginyellow

    kinginyellow Well-Known Member

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    Lol, even better case, a literal box of explosives is skilled enough to use cover.
     
  3. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    It's a bit off topic, but I think a number of interactions could be improved if they separated the obscurement (-3 BS) and protection (+3 ARM) aspects of cover into two rules. Just spitballing, but you could then take that in any of several directions, such as:
    • protection requires base contact, but obscurement does not
    • obscurement doesn't stack with camo
    • impetuous or motorcycle models can't get protection but can benefit from obscurement
    • marksmanship would simply name the bonus it negates rather than explaining how it only affects half of the cover bonus
    These things would be substantial changes and would affect balance, etc. It's just a random thought I've had from time to time.
     
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  4. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Afaik, no, they aren't.
     
  5. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't need to be explained, it needs to be designed better. Right now, the path the model has to take is determined by something that it is against the rules to know for sure, that is how many orders it would take to get into base. This is bad design.
     
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  6. SirGrumpyPants

    SirGrumpyPants A little grumpy

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    Maybe it should just be as directly towards/shortest route as possible to the nearest point of the opponents deployment zone. Its not spectacular, but its similar enough in spirit while being able to eyeball the direction.
     
  7. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Cover is fairly unique in the rules as it almost exclusively talks about "the target" and not "trooper" as well as referencing target's height insread of silhouette.
     
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  8. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    AI beacones cant ever have cover....They AD
     
  9. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    If they scatter to a spot where they exactly land in base contact with a scenery element, they can, or if we finally get an answer to whether Landing Assistance applies to AI Beacons or not...

    The issue here is one of practicality rather than mechanically disallowed.
     
  10. Icchan

    Icchan Well-Known Member

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    You'd need to find an opponent willing to allow that. If they're even one atom width inside the scenery peace their dispersion fails and is placed in your deployment zone. If it's one atom width apart from the scenery, it can't claim cover.
    Basically because you can't intentionally move any less or more than the required 16" in a given direction, you can't intentionally land in cover.

    Also it could be argued that dispersion is a part of AD which does prevent deploying in cover.
     
  11. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Actually, basic Airborne Deployment rules; can't deploy in contact with Scenery (and this has nothing to do with choosing drop zone), so even if the atoms align, they're not allowed to. However, this doesn't mean that they can't benefit from Cover should a special rule afford them Cover, such as gaining Nanoscreen due to a special Scenario condition, which is more than you can say about a Morlock or a Motorcycle.
     
  12. Bobman

    Bobman MERC

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    Yeah, jumping to death makes absolutely no sense to me. Even in a frenzy you'd know you're on top of a building. Mines though, you might not be cautious enough or know they are there to curcumvent them.

    But logic and rules...
     
  13. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    For some context, N2 had rules that allowed Impetuous movement to avoid known dangers, including (revealed) Mines, Suppression Fire corridors and movement that could result in falling damage (as Climb and Jump required PH Rolls).

    N3 removed all of those restrictions.
     
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  14. mightymuffin

    mightymuffin Well-Known Member

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    I always pictured impetuous troopers as being so fixated on reaching the enemy that they lose track on what's going on around them.
    (I sometimes get that way, personally, when I'm knee-deep in something at work, so may be I qualify as Frenzied!)

    This way, the N2 restrictions around them avoiding Climb/Jump made sense, (as there's a chance they fail to climb/jump, thus slowing them down), whilst the other 'known dangers', er, didn't.
     
  15. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    In N3 climbing and jumping are safe skills; there’s no longer the chance that you could fail a PH roll and fall. The only issue is if your shortest path calculations can include a fall at the end of a jump off of a ledge.
     
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