1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Jumping off a cliff seeking cover

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Wyrmnax, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. Wyrmnax

    Wyrmnax Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2017
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    448
    So...

    When you fail a guts roll you need to move towards the best possible cover for you.

    What happens if, 1" away ( IE: Fully in range of your guts movement), there is a cliff. Or the side of a building. 10" tall.

    Thats the only way you could possibily move to have cover, there is nowhere else 2" away that would give you cover from the attacker.

    Do you have to jump off?
     
  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    9,301
    Likes Received:
    17,080
    No, Guts movement follows the general movement rules so the trooper's base must always be fully supported, you can't jump as Guts movement.
     
    toadchild and JoKeR like this.
  3. Paladin

    Paladin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2018
    Messages:
    112
    Likes Received:
    73
    Not even if you could survive the following fall?
     
  4. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    9,301
    Likes Received:
    17,080
    It's never possible to guarantee that you can survive a fall (OK, except maybe a Jotum).

    But no, the only way to fall is to jump, and you can't jump as part of a Guts move
     
    #4 colbrook, Feb 25, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2019
  5. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    12,039
    Likes Received:
    15,332
    Guts Roll movement has to use a Short Movement Skill. Super-Jump would enable you to jump off the cliff while Climb+ would enable you to get over the side to hang on for your dear life.
     
    #5 Mahtamori, Feb 25, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2019
    Wolf and FatherKnowsBest like this.
  6. Robock

    Robock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,234
    Likes Received:
    852
    but only if doing so would give you total cover, as your silhouette sticking out sideways, if visible, is never in partial cover.
     
  7. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    9,301
    Likes Received:
    17,080
    Sorry, maybe I'm being blind but where does it say you use a Short Movement Skill, I thought it was just a 2 inch move?
     
  8. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    12,039
    Likes Received:
    15,332
    Yes. This is true and important.
    Sorry. I'm remembering Dodge. The two effects are far too similar to each other :(
     
  9. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    2,407
    Likes Received:
    4,864
    @Wyrmnax For what it's worth - Guts Move doesn't get halved by being Prone (since that only halves your Profile MOV values) and while it's not a cliff you can fail Guts to go Prone and crawl down a Ladder if you can gain Total Cover from that. This works because ladders allow regular Movement in vertical direction.
    Just bringing it up it since you mentioned buildings.

    As a follow up to what @Mahtamori said. Unlike C+, Super-Jump doesn't let you jump with any sort of Movement thus can't be used for Guts Movement.
     
  10. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2017
    Messages:
    1,444
    Likes Received:
    1,385
    Can't be prone while on a vertical surface though
    "Troops can never be in the Prone state while they Climb or hold on to a vertical surface" From the climb rules
     
  11. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    2,407
    Likes Received:
    4,864
    That is only the case for Climb.
    Ladders specifically allow you to use a good old Move instead and work the same ways as stairs.
    Using a ladder is also not "holding on to a vertical surface" in the terms that Climb refers to and you can ARO just fine while on a ladder.

    REMEMBER
    A figure in the Reactive Turn who is holding onto a vertical surface cannot ARO. The reason for this is that, while on a vertical surface, the only available Skill is Climb, and Climb is an Entire Order that cannot be used in Reactive Turn.
     
  • About Us

    We are a company founded in 2001 in Cangas (Spain), and devoted to design and manufacture games and figures. Our main product, Infinity the Game, was born with the ambition to satisfy the most demanding audience, offering the best quality.

     

    Why are we here?

     

    Because we are, first and foremost, players.

  • Quick Navigation

    Open the Quick Navigation