Tohaa changes you would like?

I do not expect any overhaul of existing Tohaa rules anytime soon, but:

While I understand the want to make fire damage mean something to units with only 1 wound on the active symbiont profile, I think this would further penalize the Ectross and Gorgos by reducing their chances of passing a save with their armor.

I could see it being changed so fire does 2 wounds for every failed save rather than 1. This would be similar to its pre HS3 update, but would only take a model to unconcious for most units, but would give an added benefit of having extra wounds on the profile, and it would mean that the Gorgos would retain 1 wound on its active profile as long as it only failed one armor save, (or took one fire crit, and passed the subsequent save.)

I think even making 'bombs' disposable (2) without adding CoC to the profile would greatly expand their use.

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I do not like the last bullet point as this was the entire point of the symbiomate in its pre HS3 iteration.
I think such a change is not terrible, but I think even doing something like making the unit have to pass a WIP check to be able to activate the 'Mate in its current form would help mitigate some of the disapproving stares you get when using them.

This would be a very welcome change, but may be too useful, and make the Kamael White Hacker even less useful. Units with Deflector would be interesting though.

 

I would change symbiomates into a consumeable that provides +1burst, +6 modifier to a single PH roll that order while the symbiont armor is active.

Maybe allow the kumotail to heal 1 extra wound by consuming a symbiomate from the target.

 

If we talk about SymbioMates, I still stand by my idea that they should grant a one-off +6 to ARM/BTS during the order they are spent, as well as ignoring all Special Ammunition Effects, while still keeping the 'crits pierce through' part. This would make them less outrageous to our opponents while still saving us from Fire ammo.

Talking about Tohaa in general, I agree that as a race of bioengineers, we don't rely on conventional technology as much as other races, and I would probably grant Symbiont armour an extra Trait (or Equipment) called Biotech that would read:
BIOTECH
This Equipment is much harder for conventional human Hacking Devices to crack, imposing a -6 MOD to all Comms Attacks made against this Equipment that are using a non-EI Hacking Device. Non-EI Hacking Devices that ignore the Firewall MOD only have a -3 MOD to all Comms Attacks made against this Equipment.

Products of Tohaa biotechnology are unmatched in Human Sphere and as such, are much more harder to penetrate for conventional Hacking Equipment. Human technology did not yet advance to the level where it can reach the responsiveness and efficiency of biologically enhanced fiber and usually human hacking devices struggle to successfully infiltrate Tohaa biotechnological shielding, making it much more difficult to sabotage and subjugate Tohaa heavily armoured units. EI technology, on the other hand, is far more advanced than human..

 

Fewer belt buckles.

 

i was talking to someone the other day, and made this same suggestion. I think even if they gave a +9 bonus on the rolls people would feel much better about them, because then we would at least be rolling. There are so many effects that are long (or sure) shots that are still rolls, i think the biggest gripe about mates is the lack of rolls involved. Also, if they allowedrolls, we could fail guts checks while using them so we coukd reposition and such.

 

Addidng disposable to symbiobombs would make it so baggage could reload them. That would be weird.

 

Not baggage but kaeltar only? And to raise the price? Just a wild speculation, but anyway...


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What is the point of these faction-specific interactions?
For example, I'm yet to see a reasonable, non-fluff explanation of why Fidays specifically should be weaker (than their general rules suggest) against Tohaa, Combined, MAF, OCF and SEF for no other reason that what's written in "Army" column of opponent's list. By the same token, I would like to know what's so special about EIHD-wielding armies and their toys that they absolutely need this special treatment. Because I don't see them relying on EIHDs so much that working at disadvantage hurts them much more than it does any other army with (normal) HDs in their ranks.

Sorry for this off-topic, but I really think that matchup-specific interactions should preferrably happen organically.

 

Marksmanrifle for pure cheese. In triad it's basically a spitfire for 0 SWC.

 

May as well add to the cheese and make it a Viral Marksmanrifle.

 

Because otherwise we would be running exactly the same factions? I mean, every faction has something special about it. Ariadna is low-tech. EI are the only ones to have access to Plasma and Sepsitor. Tohaa are masters of biotech. PanO doesn't Smoke.. If you remove all the differences, wouldn't the game turn into chess?

 

*Ahem*

Hector.

*Mic drop*

 

And that's why nobody loves tohaa:)

 

I'd like some viral hybrid ammo, like Viral+AP : pierce through armor to poison the flesh...

 

That would be improved plasma since the AP would add a arm roll on top of the 2 bts.

I think breaker would be better in that regard....I say give it to the taqeul

 

Sounds good to me. But AP Viral looking like improved plasma would be cool fluffwise due to long Tohaa/AC war history.

 

While we're at it, we could just add a Viral HMG to the squad for maximum Tohaa hate through the community. I can't imagine CB creating something like “improved plasma ammunition“ to an already strong army.

 

Since T2 marksman is a common thing...

This, but:

Maybe the French and the Scotts. There's nothing low tech in TAK or US. Proper 2W HI, unhackable everywhere, AP and T2 ammo everywhere, Camo everywhere. Immune to sepsitor (you didn't want to heal your dudes anyway, no?).

Aleph also has plasma. CA has other stuff as well, like extra hacking programs for free. Some that can hack normally non-hackable Ariadna (wtf really).

Whatever that means. Tohaa is more about bad shooting, extra wounds with no armor and low level but unlimited fireteam. And ridiculously optimized profiles.

More like Pano shoots through any problem, but can't do anything else. If you are hiding behind smoke, you are not shooting. So get out and shoot!

[/QUOTE]If you remove all the differences, wouldn't the game turn into chess?[/QUOTE]
Yep. Except for the dice rolls.

 

Nice idea. Though CB seems to have some rules they stick to (though they definitely lost their shit about limitations recently), like the maximum amount of ARM/BTS rolls possible in a single order. B3 Viral seems to be the top of it (well, B4 in link). And B2 EXP. But times are changing and power creep happening, so maybe we'll see that happen. Tohaa is in a good place power level wise, so likely Viral HMG won't be a thing for us. Yes, I know it was /s.

It's not clearly and improvement. Plasma affects ARM rolls too, but lacks Shock+. BTS comes in batches of 3, and there's armies like ISS that just have high BTS for no reasons, so it could come handy, when you have a backup plan to fish for wounds.