ITS season 10 is fairly balanced where most scenarios don't absolutely need tailored lists, but Loot and Sabotage is hard to do well if you don't have one. What are everyones preferred list for it. I went with Fiday (DA CC) as my plan A for destroying the AC2, and an Asawiria Haris with a DA CC profile for plan B. I was trying to build it without relying on Muyibs, but gave up after 20-30 minutes of trying to fit decent alternatives. The D-Charges & Minelayer are too useful in the scenario. The Mines are to stop smoke/TO infiltrators from taking out the AC2 from under my nose. My game yesterday was a bit of a 1 sided match since my opponent didn't have a tailored list. I was able to smoke and remove the AC2 in my first 4 orders, then took out his only CC anti-material guy. After that it was too order intensive for him to use the panoplies to get D-Charges for the AC2. Spoiler: List Loot and Sabotage ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 MUYIB Lieutenant Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and Smoke Ammo.) / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23) MUYIB (X Visor) Spitfire, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 28) MUYIB (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 22) MUYIB (Minelayer) Rifle + Light Shotgun, D.E.P. Antipersonnel Mines, E/Mauler / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24) MUYIB (Minelayer) Rifle + Light Shotgun, D.E.P. Antipersonnel Mines, E/Mauler / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24) ASAWIRA (Fireteam: Haris) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 44) ASAWIRA AP Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 42) ASAWIRA Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 39) FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 31) FARZAN (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Did you have first turn? I find myself shying away from LI because it can hurt so much to lose even a single model. I think you’ve mitigated the nicely with the Fireteam construction here.
I had first first turn. Like I said it was a little one sided. He never even got LoS of the AC2, before forfeiting. I agree LI lists sometimes are little too flimsy. The Asawira (usually in Duo) are turning into one of my main units, just so 1 crit doesn't ruin my day.
Haqq is the best faction to do Looting & Sabotaging with, because of the Fiday. Have a friend that brings two, use the first to smoke and then coordinate order them ( if the 1st lived) to double attack the thing. If he has first turn, he starts the game with the objective broken, most likely by his datatracker. It is ridiculous.
With Hassassin, I invariably end up using the Muyib core (or haris) to hit the AC2 with 3 D-Charges at a time, as many times as it takes. I bring the DA Fiday as a backup or for if my opponent doesn’t protect it well. But with even with Phys 12 and MA2, it can take a lot of orders to take down that AC2. DA Asawira in a haris looks like a really good option too, although I have not tried it. That being said, for vanilla the DA Fiday or Tarik are the best options I’ve tried. Al Hawwa is my last resort backup because of that low CC. QK I think Yuan Yuans and a Kaplan link with D-charges are the best bets, again with the Al Hawwa as a backup plan.
I had a go at L + S last night with a new opponent. (Ikari). I ran Hassassins with a Muyib link and back up Fiday (DA). This was my first time playing South of the border and the meta was a bit different, so I didn't know what to expect. My opponent wasn't running what I'd call an optimal list, but he really threw the kitchen sink at me. I got pretty lucky taking turn one, and I was able to kill an exposed yojimbo, as well as put some hurt on Scarface with a muyib HRL. The Fiday managed to kill his Brawler Lt. and a keisotsu. My opponent really got the drop on my ac2 with a da killer hacker ninja, but only manage to take off one str before getting swallowed up by a mine. Scarface went down to some lucky AROs and then the Yuan Yuan dropped in. I expected 1 or 2, but he brought all 4. (I like his style). He managed to reposition his forces decently, but not do much damage. (He killed my fiday and put a wound on my asawira, and murdered a couple mutts). Turn 2 I got the Muyibs up into the ac2 and spent a massive amount of orders slapping d charges on it. I had also put my rafiq into group 1, buffed it up, and murdered 2 wu ming. (That template is rad). It left my rafiq pretty exposed, so ikari got some vengeance and a bunch of good stuff out of the panoplies. I managed to kill his ac2 and it didn't look like he would be threatening mine. He did get ODD on a yuan yuan, which was pretty silly. It managed to kill my asawira, but went down to a mine after taking another point off my ac2. I ended up wining 6-4. Lessons learned: I might run a second fiday or swap the rafiq for some daylami next time, but I was pretty happy with everything's performance. The muyibs held up surprisingly well (I only lost the HRL). Spoiler: My List 3.15 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 MUYIB Lieutenant Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and Smoke Ammo.) / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23) MUYIB (X Visor) Spitfire, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 28) MUYIB (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 22) MUYIB (Minelayer) Rifle + Light Shotgun, D.E.P. Antipersonnel Mines, E/Mauler / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24) LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) ASAWIRA (Fireteam: Haris) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 44) MUYIB Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) MUYIB (Minelayer) Rifle + Light Shotgun, D.E.P. Antipersonnel Mines, E/Mauler / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24) BARID Hacker (Hacking Device) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21) FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 31) GROUP 2 1 4 4 RAFIQ REMOTE Rifle + Light Shotgun, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
You seem to be exagerrating just a "bit" and not protecting your AC2 enough... Think you didn't play to much against Ariadna (Uxia McNeil combining Superior Infiltration, Martial Arts L2 + D-Charges?) or even Morats (AD Rasyat with Martial Arts and D-Charges?). There are many things better for destroying AC than Fidays. IMHO even in Haqqislam. PozdRawiam / Greetings
I do agree that Morats and Ariadna also have ease to deal with that, BUT Uxia needs to pass her superior infiltration roll AND has no smoke to deploy to cover it. Rasyat has to pass his drop roll. Fiday needs nothing. He does however need more orders because he doesnt carry APEXP d-charges.
