A few questions about Ramah Task Force

It will, I am positive we will be seeing new profiles on release just like IA and Varuna, I would be VERY surprised if we dont see. Haqq is already fairly competitive (Hassassins won the Baltimore Brawl Satelite with 50 opponents, and thats an old sectorial with only 1 new item from the last 3 years). Haqq in general is strong, and I expect Ramah will be perfectly fine.

I am also wondering if they are keeping the Red Veil starter as the Ramah Starter or if they are making a new starter box for Ramah.

 

Agreed. I would just like us to stay that way (not that I foresee anything differently in the near future).

Me and a gaming buddy were discussing this last week. Three things spark my curiosity:
1. Are Ghulam the bread and butter in this sectorial? Its just fine if they are, but I could see 3 ghulam getting replaced by a different line trooper in a new starter.
2. The Tuareg Sniper; how many play it? I personally love the look and style of Tuaregs, but often replace them with a cheaper specialist. I hope they get some interesting profile mix ups, but I could also see them replaced with a new shiny RTF unit.
3. If Beyond is considered to be part of the RTF starter as well ... Does this mean we will see a Fiday in the Sectorial? Or maybe that model has just been impersonating a Fiday this whole time, and its something entirely different?

 

Ah, @oldGregg - you do replace the Touareg with a cheaper specialist, and that is fine. As long as you do have access to another Camo Infiltrating Specialist, it is a matter of weighting cost vs advantages, and I agree with you - cost-to-effect, I'd take an Al'Hawwa FO (or even a Hacker, depending on the job to be done) over a Touareg.

Key point, however, is having thet access. It is given in vanillia Haqq, but - for example - in QK, there's no choice: Al'Hawwa are the sole Camo Ifiltrator unit (albeit very good one!).
In RTF, we might end with only the Touareg for the Camo Infiltration Specialist role.

And again, I agree about the Touareg Sniper - she's a legacy profile from 1ed. Not really interesting nowadays, when we have weapons such as Marksman Rifles, but back in the day, when there were no Fireteams, and "sniper nests" were a common sight on many tables (yes, the art of setting up Infintiy tables has improved over the years too!), a basic TO Camo Sniper had their use.
However, Al'Hawwa Sniper shares the same weakness...

 

Well, keep in mind that while the Naffatun were originally presented as guys no-one likes to fight next to (making them unsuitable for fireteams.... or such was the general understanding of things since a word about Caliphate sectorial got out), it might have changed since then.

We might be seeing extra Naffatun profiles (with weapons like Flammenspeer, Rocket Launchers, and any new invention, like incendiary grenades, flamethrower Mines and what-not! Or perhaps perfectly conventional guns, too...) that will be capable of forming Fireteams - either on their own or with any other RTF troop type... and perhaps even having Specialists on their own.

Plus, who knows what else we will get!

 

Fluff-wise, the Fiday should be part of the sectorial since Saladin is part of the sectorial and he's always supposed to have a Fiday "bodyguard" (whose primary responsibility is killing him should he betray Haqqislam for Aleph). That still leaves open a question about whether the Ragik will be part of the sectorial.

 

Ah, but that Fiday is only there to ensure Saladin's loyalty, not get involved in unimportant skirmishes and squabbles.

I'm 99% sure that Beyond Red Veil was not intended to be an RTF expansion.

 

I agree with you, @colbrook . After all, is Beyond Red Veil solely Invincible Army on the YJ part of it...?

 

You're probably right. It would be amusing however if the Fiday was only deployable in the sectorial as part of a Duo with Saladin, or if Saladin gains a new trait "Cannot be sepsitorized. If this troop fails a BTS roll against a sepsitor attack he immediately enters the 'dead' state."

 

If you're running Saladin then the HVT is actually a Fiday.

To be fair, the Yu Jing part of Red Veil core isn't sectorial specific, so the analogy doesn't 100% match up.

Having said that, Bostria made a point of describing the Haqq half of Red Veil as a Ramah starter, but did not say the same about Beyond.

 

He's a beauty ;) And I'm not only saying this because he's my favourite LT in Haqq and one of main reasons I play Vanilla. The mini is also great, the pose is superb for a boss - and he always was a bit taller than he's comrades, so he looks good now between the newest of sculpts.


PozdRawiam / Greetings

P.S. Damn, RTF looks like a perfect sectorial for me, maybe the first that I'll play in bigger tournaments :) For now I played Haqq in master tournaments, and QK, HB, Druze or Morats in locals...

 

1) As others have said, I don't expect this. Ghilmen are shared across the whole Sword of Allah, a faction defining unit (high WIP, meh BS, shotguns, Doc+) that's unique visually, and effective as more than just a pure cheerleader. Selfishly, I love their aesthetic and am happy with the paintjob on mine.

2) Agreed that the sniper isn't great, but CB loves snipers and so we get lots of them. It is visually quite striking and snipping the barrel of the sniper can give you a rifle wilder if you'd prefer it. Tuareg specialists, however, will see lots of play in RTF. To specialists with high WIP, infiltrating by the enemy? Hard to argue with that. Especially with shotguns that work so well in CQB.

3) No. Just say the Friday is the HVT or something if you must have it. But there's a big difference between sitting near a potential target and following the orders of said target in a combat situation

I suspect the Khawarij is the start of the big PR push. We thought it would be Red Veil, but clearly their plans changed a bit behind the scenes.

I sure hope so! I'd expect that lore to change a bit, though. Just as did the lore the Ghazis. The exploding Naffatun falls a little close to the suicide bomber stereotype and doesn't really fit with this description from HSN3: "'No man left behind!'" In an army like the Haqqislamite army in which the individual is valued as the very best of weapons and in which they have smaller numbers of technological means than their main adversaries, each soldier and each piece of equipment counts. As a consequence of this doctrine the Diwan al Jund, the War Office, does everything possible to facilitate the recovery of casualties" (141). Exploding backpacks don't seem very conducive to such efforts.

Yes, he's a lovely model who scaled well! I wouldn't object to a Saladin 2.0, purely because it is fun to paint up heroic characters, but the current mini is perfect for a commanding LT. Additionally, a combat oriented Saladin seems to have little use in a sectorial with Tarik.

 

There's little written about Saladin's historical appearance, but he appears to have been a shorter, frail man which means even if the model doesn't match the modern N3 scale it's not really a problem

 

Exactly that. Plus, the RV YJ starter was thought to be IA starter...till the real IA shown up.
My interpetation: it was the IA starter... until CB changed their mind somewhere during the in-between period.

 

Nah, it was never the IA starter.

Some people thought it might be due to them coming right out and saying Haqq half being RTF but they never once said that the YJ half was IA, it was only ever fanatic peat speculation.

 

I mean, it's a little odd that:

Beyond Icestorm brought us the Kamau HMG, with new rules. The poster child of the upcoming Varuna Sectorial. And the Kriza Borac, with new rules, a cornerstone of the upcoming Tunguskan sectorial.

Beyond Red veil brought us Tarik Mansuri, with new rules. The poster child of the upcoming Ramah sectorial. And the Daofei, with upcoming rules..... not in the upcoming Invincible Army sectorial.

I'm not saying these things were/are the starters for the new releases, but they certainly were teasers. It's a little unfortunate that the Daofei didn't make it in, regardless, I still expect Ramah to get a proper starter.

 

A starter more proper than the RV one (3x Ghulam, a Khawarij, a Zhayedan & Touareg Sniper)?

What would be in it...?

 

any new units, any new sculpts, ect.

bear in mind that CB has a SKU problem, a starter box is a great way to bundle models and sell them all at once while keeping your stock book keeping down. Look at Varuna – our starter box wasnt the bog standard 3 rifle line-troops, MI/AD, skirmisher, HI. Sure, it's similar, but different enough and still useful.

I would expect something like that.

 

Whoa. What if we get a new TAG-like thing: Shai-Hulud.


I'd buy it.