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Question Varuna Fireteam - Machinist

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Sorbus, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Sorbus

    Sorbus Member
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    Hello,

    i have a question regarding the role of the Machinist (Varuna Div.).

    In Army it says he can join a special fireteam "core or Haris of Kamau". So maybe its my poor english, does this mean he can join only core of kamau? Or can he join any core (e.g. Fusilier) or Haris of Kamau's?

    Thanks for the help!
     
  2. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    He can join either or. In other words, he can do both. In fact, since Machinist (varuna div) are ava 2, you can have one in a core and another in a haris.

    Note: this is a tricky aspect of the word "or" in English. It can be both inclusive and exclusive and the different is purely contextual. In the case of the Machnist its inclusive so both options are available.
     
  3. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure that he can join a link of Fusiliers? Personally I don't think so, but I'm not a native speaker.

    @ijw can you say somthing to it?
     
  4. Titus

    Titus Varuna Beach Commando

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    Maybe I'm not understanding but I don't think that's the question.

    The question is if the machinist can join any fireteam. And I think the answer is no, he can join core of Kamau only. He can't join a fusiliers link.
     
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  5. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    The Machinist can join a Fireteam: Core of Kamau or a Fireteam: Haris of Kamau.

    It's not 'Core (of any type), or Haris of Kamau'.
     
  6. Sorbus

    Sorbus Member
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    Thank you very much for clarification!
     
  7. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    Oops. I took it for granted that the fireteam being talked about was only for the Kamau. I didn't think I needed to point that out as well.
     
  8. Section9

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    Note that with Patsy, this counts as a Kamau Haris:

    Varuna Immediate Reaction Division
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────

    [​IMG]3
    PATSY GARNETT Submachine Gun, Nimbus Plus Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 37)
    KAMAU (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
    MACHINIST (Varuna Div.) (CH: Mimetism, Stealth, Aquatic Terrain) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)

    1.5 SWC | 86 Points

    Open in Infinity Army
     
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  9. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    Kamau HRL and HMG are both nice in that Haris too. Kamau HRL brings two great weapons, and the HRL getting Burst 3 and being able to maneuver for splash shots is really helpful.
     
  10. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    Ah, the ol' Oxford comma problem.

    There is no comma in the sentence, so "core and Harris" are inclusive with Kamau type. It's not actually a contextual difference. This is defined (if you're doing it correctly) by the presence or lack of comma after "or". If there were a comma in the sentence, it would, by rules of English, be telling us that any Fireteam:Core or a Kamau Harris. But there is no comma. So it is a "Fireteam: Core or Harris" of the kamau variety only.

    For a relevant lesson, click the following possibly NSFW link: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/fycHx
     
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  11. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, they are. I'm a little unsure about having two SMGs in a Haris, but it's not a bad option.

    But my point was that it was a Kamau Haris, even though there isn't a Kamau trooper with the Haris rule in it. It is a Haris team because there is a trooper with the Haris rule in it (Patsy), it's a Kamau team because there is a Kamau in it, which then means that the Varuna Div Machinist can be part of it.
     
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  12. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    English is my only language and I still don't know what your talking about. Never heard of this. Is it a British thing?
     
  13. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    No, it's also showed up in a legal case in the US. (Only reason I was paying attention to it is because it was an HR-related case, I try to keep up with those since my degree is in HR)
     
  14. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    my american education failed me. :P
     
  15. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Really, rest of the world really cares if they at least teach you some good geography....
     
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  16. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    Don't sweat it. Almost nobody does commas correctly. This one could very well be an accidentally correct case.
     
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