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Revitalized vanilla

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Asgeir, Dec 25, 2018.

  1. Asgeir

    Asgeir Well-Known Member

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    Merry christmas everyone!

    So, even if the number of votes is still low, it seems a lot of players are turning back to vanilla YJ:
    https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/faction-poll-for-the-upcoming-new-year.26443/

    After a single test game with IA, I decided to play vanilla myself, after a few ISS games after the uprising. To me, it felt like the list building in IA was too restricted to be fun... I do feel a bit more excited about vanilla again though!

    So: what are your experiences with the new toys in vanilla? New synergies? Exciting lists?
     
  2. SKOZZOKONZ

    SKOZZOKONZ Well-Known Member

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    I've only played vanilla since the update, mainly because I don't want a whole link team of proxys. Really like the mowang.
     
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  3. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    The amazing thing is the amount of camo you can do now. Not just because of the Zhencha but also the Liberto and Daoying! Combined with some Tiger Soldiers, you can have a blank courtesy list. But unlike armies that can do the same thing like Shasvastii or Ariadna, these are not pushover camo tokens. Well some are, but some are definitely not and that's something can leverage.

    Yu Jing
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    [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    DÀOFĚI HMG / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 57)
    ZHĒNCHÁ (Forward Observer) Submachine Gun, D.E.P., Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 34)
    NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)
    GŬILÁNG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    TIGER SOLDIER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    TIGER SOLDIER Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
    LIÚ XĪNG Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 32)

    4.5 SWC | 298 Points

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  4. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I'd cut one of those AD troopers and get Lunah in there.
     
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  5. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Agreed! Either one shows though just how it's possible and not bad in the right mission. I used to play Shasvastii and always had a really hard time with them. Once discovered, they were easily killed. They also cost so much that making good lists were even harder. They got a little better when they had access to Bit&Kiss but that's gone now.

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    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    DÀOFĚI HMG / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 57)
    ZHĒNCHÁ (Forward Observer) Submachine Gun, D.E.P., Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 34)
    NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)
    GŬILÁNG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    TIGER SOLDIER Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29)
    TIGER SOLDIER Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
    MAJOR LUNAH Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

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  6. Shinen

    Shinen Well-Known Member

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    I like the better flexibility with the new additions in vanilla. I played a fair amount of games with some of the new units and was very pleased with the results. DaoYing, Libertos, HaiDao MSV and Hulang(+CG LGL) are my favorites.
     
  7. IAGO242

    IAGO242 Executive Officer

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    @spaceranger I think convert the assault hacker tiger into boarding shotgun and then swap the daoying LT to hacker version for assisted landing and fairydust possibilities.
     
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  8. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure I'd call Guilang pushovers. Squishy, yes, but Camo+Cover+MSV1 is an unpleasant nut to crack, especially when there's also a Daofei and a mine in the mix.
     
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  9. Asgeir

    Asgeir Well-Known Member

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    @Space Ranger Have you played the lists? Lots of order hogs but seems like fun!
     
  10. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Agreed! List below.

    That's kind of what I'm trying to say. Compared to like Shasvastii Shrouded, or even Foxtrot Rangers, the Guilang has a bit more it can do for the points.

    Not YET! I'm thinking of trying this weekend. I know it does seem like an oder hog but when you think about it, each one, even the Liberto, has the potential to be a Rambo unit. The Liberto was used to great effect last weekend to clear Crazy Koalas. He's going to be my main mine clearance from now on!


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    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29)
    DÀOFĚI HMG / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 57)
    ZHĒNCHÁ (Forward Observer) Submachine Gun, D.E.P., Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 34)
    NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)
    GŬILÁNG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    TIGER SOLDIER Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29)
    TIGER SOLDIER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    MAJOR LUNAH Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

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  11. Joametz

    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    I've been meaning to try the "camo spam" list, but somehow it mutated into a couple of ocult attack pieces and a bunch of orders:

    [​IMG] Some sneaky dudes──────────────────────────────────────────────────
    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
    [​IMG] KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
    [​IMG] GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] DÀOFĚI Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 55)
    [​IMG] TIGER SOLDIER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29)
    [​IMG] ZHĒNCHÁ (Forward Observer) Submachine Gun, D.E.P., Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 34)
    [​IMG] SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] LIÚ XĪNG Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 32)
    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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  12. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    This, a lot. MSV1 + Camo is like a more situational version of ODD, or maybe like situational TO without Hidden Deployment. In either case, a 27 point Guilang FO will shoot evenly or so with pretty much any skirmisher in the game.
     
  13. Joametz

    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    The MSV 1 goes a long way when battling other Camo units. BS 11 might seem "meh", but taking that additional -3 out of the equation makes the Guilang a better shooter than most in those cases. Having the option of shooting a Flash Pulse with WIP 14 in the reactive turn just adds even more value.

    Love the unit, I consider it one of the main reasons to play vanilla
     
  14. BigBadFox

    BigBadFox Well-Known Member

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    Im not sure if IA adds that much to Vanilla. I clearly see the Daoying Sniper Lt and the Zhencha, but the real attack pieces are just too weak.
     
  15. Miraclebutt

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    Mowang powered by a Daoying is definitely not too weak.

    re: Guilangs, I've actually specifically been taking a BSG one for hunting midfield skirmishers. It sounds suboptimal since you've already got the mines (and it probably is), but I really like the little safety net that extra +3 BS bonus a BSG has over a Combi.
     
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  16. BigBadFox

    BigBadFox Well-Known Member

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    I dont See the Mowang. He is no Su Jian, no Daofei and no Hac Tao. Even with 2 Orders more.
     
  17. Mruczyslaw

    Mruczyslaw AROnaut

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    Recently I play a lot of Mowang, Lt2 camo, daofei, guilangs, ninja, tiger/liu xing, shaolins, rui shi, daofei.
    Camo game is awesome, mines, killers, specialists. Order count is ok (18).
    Alpha strike is amazing - lots of attackers with negative mods, surprises, different angels, lots of orders.
    Going second is also fine, as orders are toyght to kill, board control is strong.
    I am testing less camo list with hac tao instead daofei.
    IA changes are amazing.
    It is tough to make bad YJ list. (special notice for Space Ranger LI list with 4 Combat jumps/TO)
     
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  18. Asgeir

    Asgeir Well-Known Member

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    @Mruczyslaw any specific lists to share?

    I just got wrecked by a TAK defensive link with LGL...
    Wanted to try all the new stuff so I forgot to bring the long range guns. The Mowang got smashed by a surprise BSG, the Zensha got LGLed and the Hulang SMG was outranged and also the wrong tool for all the TAK camo... He even LGLed Lunah at +32" btw. Guess I should introduce new toys one by one...
     
  19. Shinen

    Shinen Well-Known Member

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    Something i was concerned in Vanilla too. He isn't a SuJian, and for the cost of Structure, mobility and 1BS he got Mimetism. If he also had got fatality L1 like the Daiyokai, he would seperate himself a bit better from the rest of our premium HI.

    In my book, he is a good attack piece and can be a very good defensive piece (in cover with supression) and thanks to red fury very dangerous agains stuff with dogged/nwi.
     
  20. Joametz

    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    I have the same opinion about the Mowang, but also about the Zhenchas now: I mean, they've been working wonders for me as defensive pieces, but not so much on the attacking department. They are resilient and can't really be ignored.

    It's like, I want the Mowang and Zhenchas to control zones and hold back attack pieces, but I prefer the Su Jian and Guilangs to go on the offensive. It's good they don't feel like overlapping troopers, each one works better for a different type of mission IMO.
     
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