So I have a game of firefight coming up, what do people think to this: Firefight v2? ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 9 1 KNIGHT OF THE HOLY SEPULCHRE (Forward Deployment L2) Spitfire / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 57) FATHER-KNIGHT Missile Launcher / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 49) FATHER-KNIGHT Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 50) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38) ORDER SERGEANT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) PEACEMAKER Spitfire + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (1 | 27) AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army My theory is that I want to make use of the 16 inch deployment zones, by whacking the KoTHS and the Peacemaker to control as much space as possible, and use them jointly as a turn 1 attack piece. The main link has less distance to travel, and can move in turn 2. Problem of course, is what happens if I don't go first? The other version of this is: Firefight 1 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 3 KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43) KNIGHT OF THE HOLY SEPULCHRE (Forward Deployment L2) Combi Rifle, Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 55) KNIGHT OF THE HOLY SEPULCHRE (Forward Deployment L2) Spitfire / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 57) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23) PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21) AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) 3.5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army I worry that this would get way too crowded in the mid field, but I like the idea in theory! Any thoughts from people much appreciated as always.
Military Orders ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 8 2 SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79) CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. () SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79) CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. () JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) BULLETEER Heavy Shotgun / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17) MULEBOT Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) 4.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army This. Because we can do this.
I've recently had a chance to play Highly Classified 2 times with following lists: With new objectives deck cards we draw I was only unable to do FO/Spotlight thing, rest of them was doable. MO1 (LI) ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 FATHER-KNIGHT Missile Launcher / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 49) BLACK FRIAR (Albedo, Biometric Visor L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28) ORDER SERGEANT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (Fireteam: Haris, MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 36) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38) JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 51) MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) 5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army MO7 (Dart & Knightly Friends) ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 9 1 3 KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38) TEUTONIC KNIGHT (NCO) Spitfire / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 39) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (Fireteam: Haris, MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 36) DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34) TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army Disclaimer: Those lists were not optimized for Highly Classified, I've prepared 10 lists with new MO stuff and just rolled for a list before playing :P Tough after those 2 matches Santiago KHD and Hospitaller Doctor haris felt like autoincludes.
I'm firmly against any Teuton hacker: they're supposed to be fanatical assault troops, not battlefield nerds. The other two profiles are (would have been) fantastic.
I agree with @Sepheriel but not about the price. We are talking about a Dogged HI. This plus the rest of the added up skills and the EXP CCW should top the Teuton at at least 40 points for the BS one. As you wish but it is a lot to pay in comparison to Hospitaller.
honestly with the drop in armor and the switch to SMG, that price seems about correct. the BSG cost might be slightly off, but MA1 is only about 1 point it seems , i dont know the cost of dogged.
Was thinking of arm 4 hospitaller cost vs teuton. 31 point boarding shotgun vs 38 point one. 7 points for dogged and berserk? Doesn't sound like its that far off. Specially since the teuton loses the cube
Yeh, not a fan of that "theory crafted" profile. So anti-fluff and hyper optimised. Not saying Teutons are in a good place now... but MA1, Dogged, Chest Mines... you're kidding yourself.
How is it anti fluff for the guys that have literally ripped out their cubes in order to fight the alien to strap a more elegant version of a chest mine on, to get one last deus vult off when they die ? Also it nowhere approaches hyper optimized.
And you're entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine. But I think you should consider that they're all following the Neo-Vatican - which is Catholic - which holds suicide as a Mortal sin - so equipping a Suicide device is pretty counter-fluff.
Who said anything about suicide ? Literally set it to go off upon death. Also tearing off your cube, and preventing resurrection is effectively suicide. So clearly the neo vatican has different guidelines than the current one. Yeah we are entitled to different opinions. You just arent allowed to come in here and set yours as law. It might come down to phrasing, but "i dont think that meshes well with their background" is a hell of a lot different from "that's ANTIfluffy"
Yep. Chest mines in infinity definately aren't suicide devices (which is why they can be detonated without harming the wearer). They just have dead man switches.
Maybe you should take a minute and calm down. I don't feel there is a need to preface posts with a legal banner declaring that things I say are my opinion. I get that you're clearly super invested in this discussion, but you're overreacting. Regarding your claim that removing a cube is tantamount to suicide - I feel that's an assertion on your part (unless you have a fluff quote to back it up...). There are more reasons for having a cube than for Resurrection into a new Lhost. Looking about online I can't see anything confirming or denying that the Knights (of any order) re-sleeve themselves. I personally (again, my own personal opinion) get the feeling they wouldn't be opting into the process as it reeks of Humanity playing God. Happy to be proven wrong - but would prefer if you do so in a polite manner, rather than hurling accusations at me.
M8 I'm not mad. You're the one coming here placing accusations of hyper optimization, laying claims, and reading tone into things that arent there. I merely pointed out that you made a statement of something as it was fact, then defended something with we can have different opinions. The fluff behind the neo vatican is about restructuring faith to become compatible with the technologies like resurrection. Remember it is in fact the neo vatican that gives out resurrections. One of their primary functions in fact, it would be strange if knights werent resleeving , when military service is meant as a fast tract towards earning resurrection. The cube is not only a means of resurrection, but also provides a host of services some of which include making the patient easier to heal. To tear out such a device in an active combat zone were death is near guarantee is tantamount to suicide.
I'll have to go back a re-read the fluff in the core books - nothing I can find online really touches on this. Interesting, though, if PanO aren't following the same blackout-style protocols that the Aleph are (refusing to touch the Cubes of those who've been in contact with the EI for fear of tech contamination - ala Odyseus). I had assumed they would - given Aleph's guidance - which would make removal of the Cube only a positive for them as a frontline troop; by denying Sepsitorisation. Regarding optimisation - The profiles were equipped with discount ranged weapons (SMG and BS), adding Chest Mines to a profile with Berserk (+9 in cc iirc), adding MA1 for Stealth, and adding Dogged to ensure additional asymmetric trading in cc. It reads like cherry picking a bunch of the cheapest options that provide the greatest net benefit. It is just missing Mimetism for it's laughable +1 pt cost increase.
If I'm remembering correctly, the Teutonic Order was commissioned by the NeoPope explicitly to combat the Combined Army threat on Paradiso. Many units in technified forces in the Infinity setting who specialise in taking down CA units opt out of using a Cube to remove the risk of Sepsitorisation, which would likely be considered a much worse fate than suicide across the Sphere's religious organisations. As such, it makes some sense that Teutonic Knights don't employ cubes, and why only the most zealous devotees of the faith compose the ranks of the unit- unlike every other order, Teutons can't use their resurrection credit from military service on themselves unless they survive their entire career.
