An antipersonnel mine sits completely inside a poor vis zone. And enemy trooper declares move+dodge, triggering the mine. Does the dodging model suffer any penalty from the poor vis zone? Thanks in advance :)
Is the trooper in the Poor Visibility Zone? Because that's what matters when the Dodge is being made without needing LoF.
If he doesn't need LoF to dodge, why should he be penalized for being in Poor Visibility Zone ? Why this should be resolved differently than a "shooting attack" when it is also enough that the attackers LoF (in this case mine) is passing through Poor Visibility Zone, or it's enough that the mine itself is in Poor Visiblity Zone.
Q: How do the MODs for Low/Poor Visibility Zones apply to Dodge Rolls? And to Engage? A: The MODs apply whenever a Skill, Special Skill or piece of Equipment requires LoF and is declared from, into or through a Low or Poor Visibility Zone. Note that if the trooper is within the Visibility Zone this also applies to Dodge Rolls against template weapons from outside LoF. So: Any Dodge declared inside a Low/Poor Visibility Zone suffers the negative MOD, even in Close Combat or if the Dodge didn’t involve LoF. ... My emphasis. Have you not read the FAQ or are you complaining about the FAQ?
I didn't knew that. Wait a sec when you are in CC and you are in nimbus that means enemy has -3 to dodge against your CC ?o0
Zomg, suddenly those Nimbus grenades of FK (who are not there anymore) had a little bit more of usability.... (now as they are lost)
But it grants vision through Zero Visibility Zones? Because otherwise i couldn't dodge inside of smoke against CC because dodge needs LoF. It is weird how this is handled differently.
No, it doesn't grant vision through ZVZ anywhere. I do think it gives you the right to declare a Dodge, however, simply by virtue of being Engaged.
Can't find that in the rules anywhere though. Don't get me wrong i'm fine with being able to dodge in smoke against CC. My most played army is PanO.
Let's just say, I'm not certain about if you're allowed to dodge when either party is in a zero visibility zone and in Engaged state (without Sixth Sense), but I have trawled the rules extensively looking for if you gain LOF in melee through zero visibility and I have not found a rule which says you do.
But wouldn't the exception in Zero Visibility Zone allow you to always dodge (even when in CC) without any LoF modifiers ?
360 for being in CC? Where do you get that from? Base Contact gives you LoF, but I can't find anything about 360.
No. Other way around. In effect you gain LOF to everyone in base contact because you gain 360º LOF while in CC. I can't actually find anything suggesting that you literally gain LOF to what you are Engaged with, only that you can't draw LOF to models you aren't Engaged with when Engaged. http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Line_of_Fire_(LoF) LoF of Figures in CC Figures engaged in CC can draw a 360˚ LoF, but only to whatever they are in base contact with. Figures engaged in CC cannot draw LoF to models, Markers or any other elements with which they are not in base contact.
Just as an aside, reading the Zero Visibility Zone rules, it seems to heavily hint that Dodge was meant to have two requirements of which at least one must be fulfilled, but that one of those requirements got misplaced (that one being "The user must be in CC")
I got a bit lost in the conversation but let's say the mine is in the poor vis zone and the dodging trooper has LOF to it (i.e. through the poor vis zone).
