There seems to be technical limitation in ARMY which does require all MAIN unit profile entry (big box above) to be consistant and uniform among factions (afaik).
At the risk of repeating myself (again), Duo is a Skill which is separate from being able to form a Duo. Army is correctly showing that the units have the Skill. There has been no change in whether the troopers have been allowed to form a Duo in those Sectorials.
So why was the it there for the last several months? Again only NCA and ISS could take them. Both of them had Fireteam duo added. No one else had them. Why did they have it in the Army Creator even though neither could use the skill?
The Duo skill was added with the release of StarCo, which allows a CSU Duo to be formed, this was at the same time as the specialist options were added. There was never a time that CSUs had the Duo skill but no Sectorials that let them use it.
Um, I don't think that is correct. It was in there before. I was using them as a duo before Star Co. existed.
At the risk of demanding proof of absence; the wiki pages are mandatory to be up to date with the latest version of official CB documents with no extra information beyond that. None of the referenced documents that I can find show that the CSU are parts of these sectorials. So, while it is perfectly true that the trooper must be marked as being able to form a Duo, how can we even know whether the rules and documents are up to date with Army when the CSU aren't even present in ISS list of AVA and when the Fireteam profiles are not listed in the profiles document. So, does this not mean that CSU aren't a legal option for ISS and that the Specialist profiles aren't a legal choice for NCA if we take this document at face value?
Yeah somebody should really update those documents if they're supposed to be at the top the hierarchy for rules.
Profile v3.3 had CSU without Duo, that is what was likely used by Army until a new CSU profile was released. In that same pdf, CSU are not part of ISS sectorial chart, but it was part of NCA sectorial chart with AVA2. Why were you using them as Duo in NCA when the profile lacked Duo ? I'm sure Army back then didn't had CSU with Duo. Profiles v4.0 had CSU AVA 2 in NCA but no Duo fireteam. And they are not in ISS. The CSU profile also lack Duo skill. But StarCo has CSU with Duo. So at this point I suppose the Duo skill was added even though technically it did not had a Duo (but was able to form a Duo, so should have had it). Same for Profile 4.2... so why/since when CSU are in ISS ... ? I only found a line in a Beyond Red Veil corvus belli blog that say CSU will be able added to ISS... they really should update the Profile pdf ! Beyond Red Veil i think came before StarCo, but until StarCo arrived asking CSU to be in a Duo, I don't think the Army would have been updated to add a Duo skill to the CSU. CSU would have been in ISS before the need to add Duo, and once StarCo came with Duo, they added it to the profile even though Profile 4.2 says there is no Duo loadout for CSU.
That's not quite how it works. The wiki is itself an official CB document and is mentioned as such in the ITS PDF, it's just that it's supposed to mirror the contents of the other official documents. In this case, as I'm pretty sure you're aware, the profiles PDF is (in places, drastically) out of date by now, making the wiki the only reliable source for Fireteams. I'm doing what I can to help make the profiles PDF easier for CB to update, but that's a lower priority than a whole bunch of other stuff... :-(
Yes, I'm aware, but the nature of the wiki means it's not a verifiable source when what we are looking for is an absence and when we know that the wiki can and occasionally will be out of date due to the constraints put on what you're allowed to write. That and the fact that, I'm sure, this particular Duo is one of few that I think people actually considered a boon and few have objections playing against. Which makes losing kind of suck.
I guess I'm wrong then. Sorry I remembered incorrectly. If the issue is that they can't take it off the main skills and equipment field, then whey don't they move it down to the weapon profile so that we no longer have any problems?
I'm sorry, I don't understand. :-( How is the wiki not a verifiable source? And I agree wholeheartedly on the Duos, but that's not my call.
Skills are only listed in individual options if they're available to only those options. Any Skill that's universal to all options for a unit is put in at the unit level. That's basic consistent design. What Army needs is proper notes for Fireteam composition.
It's not possible to verify whether the lack of Duo notation is the NCA/ISS list being out of date or up to date with the Army profile.
Thanks. But Army doesn't say anything about whether troopers can form a Duo, unless its a Special Duo of mixed units, which is the point of this entire discussion. EDIT - and the wiki Fireteams list is up to date. Currently, it is the sole source of up to date Fireteams.
Sources of truth are; Fireteams -> Wiki page AVA of troops -> Army Sadly, the Profiles PDF is a complete and total waste of time for anything except immediately prior to Army being refreshed when something new comes out - ala Tunguska, OSS, and TAK. In which scenario, Tunguska even went the extra step of having it's own, individual profile pdf - completely separate from the main Profile PDF.
This is only true when it is true, it has been false before. The rules specifically state that the profiles PDF is where you need to look and the wiki is made to specifically reflect the rules as written in PDFs and FAQ. However you twist it, Army is never going to have higher value than the PDF unless you houserule it or if it is confirmed on forums by CB staff to overrule the PDFs.
If you're going to quote the rules, can you please *actually* quote the rules? I don't recall anything in my rulebook directing me to look for profile PDFs... I could be wrong, but I'm not going to take it on your say so that the official rules *literally* say that somewhere.
