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Coordinated order + targetless.

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Kwisatz Haderach, Nov 11, 2018.

  1. Kwisatz Haderach

    Kwisatz Haderach Zelenograd Shasvastii
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    Got a question in our local group. I got confused, so i want to ask rules guru :)))
    Situation:
    Q-drone and daturazi are in coordinated order. First short skill is to move, second - BS attack. Tr bot is spearhead. TR bot shoots enemy trooper, while Daturazi tosses smoke grenade under Charontid. Is that legal? Or not?
     
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    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Because the smoke grenade can target the Charontid, yes.

    If it was something like a Pitcher which has to target the ground, it wouldn't be possible.
     
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    edit - nevermind. you can target an enemy with smoke.
     
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    Kwisatz Haderach Zelenograd Shasvastii
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    Kwisatz Haderach Zelenograd Shasvastii
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    To avoid confusion here. Darurazi tosses smoke under FRIENDLY Charontid. Target for TR bot BS attack - lets say enemy Nomad trooper.
     
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    well, in that case, targetless refer to the ability to lack an enemy model target; but you are still targeting a point on the table. therefore everyone must target the same point in a coordinated smoke toss. Or if you were to do a Burst 2 ARO since you cannot split Burst in ARO you would need to target only 1 point on the table. In the case of HMG (assuming TR HMG, although other TR weapon exists too) and Smoke, you cannot coordinate and have smoke on a point of the table and the HMG target an enemy. Or as IJW said for Pitcher, which always target a point on the ground, you cannot coordinate that with shooting an enemy.
     
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    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    As Robock said. Targetless allows you to pick a spot on the table as the target, instead of an enemy trooper, but you're still picking a target. As per the Coordinated Order rules, that target must be the same for all e troopers involved.

    So no, that wouldn't be allowed, as a spot on the table near your Charontid is not the same target that the Remote is shooting at.
     
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    get some similar type qustion, but more treaky ;)
    Two Yuans landing close to each other. one get E/M grenades on booty.
    behind the wall in total cover is enemy troopers, Yuans coordinates to toss the grenades via speculative - one E/M & one Smoke. The Target for E/M is chosen & declared one of the enemy tropers (for determination a critical case) but thanks to a speculative i can center the teamplate not on the target...
    Where i can place center of Second, smoke Grenade? on the center of the Target (so the trooper who target of E/M)? on the same spot as center of E/M teamplate? or may be anythere if it teamplate "hits the target"???
     
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    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    They will both have totarget the same enemy trooper, but due to Speculative Fire allowing you to place the template off-centre, they only have to that target underneath them. So, for example, you could have the EM template touching the target and spread out to the left, and the Smoke template touching the target and spread out on the right.
     
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    Than... Is it possible to throw two Drop Bears as a Coordinate Attack to different points of a table but so that their triggering zones overlap, declaring a point (or a trooper) in said intersection as a target? Bears are targetless and have Speculative Fire trait too...
     
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    A drop bear IS NOT a template. So, no.
     
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