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Experiment with Remote Heavy Corregidor

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by Jason839, Oct 28, 2018.

  1. Jason839

    Jason839 Well-Known Member

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    I am interesting in seeing if remote heavy lists will do as well in corregidor as they would in Bakunin or vanilla. Was thinking of trying out something like this.

    [​IMG] Experimental REM Heavy Corregidor
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] ALGUACIL Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    [​IMG] LUPE BALBOA Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Panzerfaust, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] ALGUACIL Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
    [​IMG] ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] TOMCAT Engineer Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] TOMCAT Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] TSYKLON Feuerbach, Pitcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 34)
    [​IMG] REAKTION ZOND HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] IGUANA OPERATOR HMG / Pistol, Knife. ()

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] LUNOKHOD Heavy Shotgun, Heavy Flamethrower, D-Charges, CrazyKoalas (2) / Electric Pulse. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] LUNOKHOD Heavy Shotgun, Heavy Flamethrower, D-Charges, CrazyKoalas (2) / Electric Pulse. (0 | 25)

    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    Basic Idea:
    Aguaciles with Lupe are my order battery. They only move when it is safe to capture objectives. A pair of Lunokhods with Crazy Koalas provide board control to keep bad guys from getting to my Aquaciles and objectives. Tsyklon and Reaction Zond get assisted fire from the hacker to put the hurt on targets of opportunity. Tsyklon has Fuerbach for dedicated anti-armor/anti-multi wound role. Tomcats provide specialist roles. Zondbot on engi Tomcat to help keep remotes functional. Iguana for *oh @#@# its a tag* distraction factor. Can rambo across board against infantry spam lists. Lots of repeaters to hack heavy infantry and other remotes.

    Let me know what you think and suggestions to improve please. Thanks a lot! :D
     
  2. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    It looks good! May I ask how attached to Corregidor you are? Rather than vanilla Nomads say.
     
  3. Jason839

    Jason839 Well-Known Member

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    I enjoy vanilla as much as sectorials. Did you have some suggestions to make it vanilla? Id love to hear them.
     
  4. McNamara

    McNamara Merc Rep

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    The remotes will just synergies very well with and HD+. It more then makes up for the Alguacile link team.
    Add another Reaktion Zond instead and you got a good good AROs covered. Zoe and pi-well are really good with lots of remotes too.
     
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  5. Elric of Grans

    Elric of Grans Well-Known Member

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    I typically run 2-4 REMs in Corregidor and find it works well. I almost always use a Lunokhod and 1-2 Tsyklons, as I find them cheap ways to fill niches in my list. I then often add 1-2 Zonds, depending on what the list needs (and what I have available). I have also gone REM crazy on occasion and run a Lunokhod, two Tsuklons, two Zonds, and an EVO Salyut. Sometimes I would have made it three Zonds, but I do not have the extra mini :P
     
  6. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    I'd consider tunguska that way you pick up forward deploy on the tsyklons but the rest of the list change significantly
     
  7. Gunmage

    Gunmage General Contact Unit

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    Two things:
    1) You can switch Lupe for Valeriya to have the ability to have Assisted Fire on two bots at once;
    2) Since you have a lot of hackables in the list, and you have an extensive repeater coverage, maybe switch one of the Lunokhods for Bandit KHD?
     
  8. Nicklz

    Nicklz Well-Known Member

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    I don't really see the point of the link team (and therefore Corregidor ;) ). The hacker in a team is more of a liability provoking aros than being helped by the team and there is nothing except the Panzerfaust to make use of the boni (and that only once). It would probably take some further reshuffling, but a 3man wildcat core with engineer/spitfire instead of alguacils could synergize more. Add transductors for more remotes and picking up cheerleading duty. Which leaves the question of the hacker: Valeria, Alguacil or an EVO Drone for Overclock. And the Tsyklon or the Doc probably has to go then if your mind is set on the Iguana. It's also sad there is no good Killer Hacker to support all that in Corregidor, but I'd give the Bandit a chance (probably kicking the doc if still in).
     
  9. Zano80

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    I would be trying to fit an EVO in there somewhere.
     
  10. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Keep in mind that an EVO allows you to use Coordinates Orders for Hacking - great way to buff many REMs with just one order!

    [​IMG] REMsREMsREMs
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] ZOE & PI-WELL . (0 | 47)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] ZOE (Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Stop!) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] PI-WELL Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] MARY PROBLEMS Hacker (Forward Deployment L1) Submachine Gun + Zapper, Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30)
    [​IMG] INTERVENTOR Hacker Lieutenant (Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle, 1 FastPanda / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] METEOR ZOND Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    [​IMG] SALYUT Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] STEMPLER ZOND Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] VERTIGO ZOND Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
    [​IMG] TSYKLON Spitfire, Pitcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 31)
    [​IMG] TSYKLON Feuerbach, Pitcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 34)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] LUNOKHOD Heavy Shotgun, Heavy Flamethrower, D-Charges, CrazyKoalas (2) / Electric Pulse. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] LUNOKHOD Heavy Shotgun, Heavy Flamethrower, D-Charges, CrazyKoalas (2) / Electric Pulse. (0 | 25)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    You could switch the Feuerbach Tsyklon for a Total Reaction and Baggage Salyut if you want.
    Yeah, obvious Lieutenant, but he has lots of "Bodyguards" and can use Impersonation - just in case...
     
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  11. Gunmage

    Gunmage General Contact Unit

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    I'm pretty sure the "gotta choose the same target" clause of Coord Orders is still true for Gadget programs, so the only coordination would be one EVO program+single Assisted Fire, since only EVO programs have no target.
    I'd be glad if I'm wrong on this one, though.
     
  12. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Merely that you're denying yourself REMs like Pi-Well, as well as Interventors to buff and Morlocks to protect your bots, and not getting thaaaaat much from Corregidor for running REMs.
     
  13. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Interesting Question.
    Is one of your own REMs a target in the sense as intended in the description of Coordinated Orders?
    I mean, I don't want to act AGAINST my own REM when i buff it with a hacking program...
     
  14. Elric of Grans

    Elric of Grans Well-Known Member

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    Yes, your REM is the target in the Coordinated Order. Similarly, Coordinated Orders for Targetless equipment (eg Smoke Grenades) must all target the same point on the table. You are not always against an enemy model, but the target for all members of the Coordinated Order must still be the same.
     
  15. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but IMHO thats not what the rules say.

    'Targetless' is a very special weapons trait,
    but still, throwing a smoke grenade is the skill use of 'BS attack'.
    That one has the Label of being an 'Attack':
    Here is another reading:
    If you use a skill in a Coordinates Order, and it is not 'against' a target (i.g. not an 'attack'), use the skill as you like.
    (As long as all members use the same skill, like 'use a hacking program' or idle.)

    If you don't act against a model, go for it!
    Doesn't this allow one hacker to target himself for impersonation, and one the buff a REM? Same skills: Hacker. But different programs target different targets, and only some are 'Attacks'. So okay. Attacks have to target the same target. But what about those skills that are not 'against' some target, say, like 'Move'. It has a target, sort of, but it's no attack. Do they have to target the same target?
     
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  16. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is the target, compare it with the ruling of activating more then one console in the FAQ:

     
  17. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Okay, thanks for the clarification.
     
  18. MindwormGames

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    You've got your Lunos in a combat group by themselves. That's where you want your Reaction Zond and Feuerbach Tsyklon to be.

    Reaktion Zonds can easily deploy and then ARO for the rest of the game. You can play them more aggressively, sure, but you've got two aggressive attack bots that want a crapload of Orders to get their job done.

    Your Feuerbach Tsyklon also doesn't need many Orders. I use that guy primarily as an Order-wasting distraction. Nobody likes to leave a BS 12, X-visor, Assisted Fire/Enhanced Reaction Feuerbach hanging around. The model can be a problem right from Deployment, and that's how I use it.

    I pick a long fire lane that will preferably leave the model in cover and visible to about 25% of the opponent's DZ. Going second, I like to use an EVO bot to Overclock, but you can do this by tossing up Enhanced Reaction if you have first turn. Now your opponent needs to make a choice. Do I risk rolling crappy and eating 6 DAM 14 ARM rolls, or do I cede this part of the table to my opponent? I don't care either way. Its job is to be disruptive to my opponent without eating up a lot of my Orders.

    I think your Lunos are going to be Order starved. Don't forget that they are starting in your DZ and have a really close optimal engagement range. Lunos want to rambo up the board, or at least spend a few Orders moving into the midfield and putting their koalas on standby.

    Also, your REMs are going to get trashed if you don't have solid Engineer support. One Tomcat just isn't going to cut it. They have ARM 3, but are big bases, dodge like crap, and only have 1 STR. They are very 'dicey' in that crappy rolls will shut them down hard. The Lunos and Feuerbach Tsyklon just don't have the weight of dice to protect themselves from that.

    I've found that the answer is to provide robust Engineer support. Piggyback an attack REM with a Zondbot and your opponent has to make annoying decisions. Do I waste Orders shooting that downed REM off the table, or do I risk the Clockmaker picking it back up? And don't forget that with ARM 3, Partial Cover, and Remote Presence you've still got a good chance to weather an Order or three of fire before getting kicked off the table. Nothing is more satisfying than an Unconscious Tsyklon passing ARM rolls.

    Some players will love to see you 'waste' Orders repairing a REM, but a REM in the midfield already has a bunch or Orders invested into its positioning, and a Clockmaker is a really reliable success at WIP 15 and a reroll if it is super important. I tend to find that repairing a REM ultimately sucks more Orders from my opponent more often than not.

    Bottom line, REMs want support. They can be huge force multipliers, but they need backup from hackers and Engineers. If you are taking one attack REM or a TR Bot, whatever. It does what it does and if it dies who cares. If you are taking 2+ REMs, you are going to get more bang for your buck out of support pieces like HD+ and Zondbots.
     
  19. Click2kill

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    Unless you are starting the Tomcat in play, I don't think you want to take a zondbot with them. They do have the Zondcat option which will allow you to AD deploy them alongside the Tomcat.

    Maybe also replace regular Alguacils with Jaguars. Lunokhods are mid to short range, and you need to move them into range, so smoke is necessary for that IMO.

    I would also second the Salyut EVO Hacker, so you can Overclock the zonds you have that have repeaters.
     
  20. wendigo

    wendigo Nomad Artichoke

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    Every time I go to make a Corregidor REM list, it always ends up vanilla Nomads. You just leave too many toys out restricting yourself to only Corregidor units, and an Alguacil link doesn't make up for it.
     
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