Invincible Army post mortem

Tema en 'Yu Jing' iniciado por Triumph, 16 Oct 2018.

  1. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    So I guess Daoying will be fake HI with command skills then. Wonder if we will see other Shukra skills like CoC, Strategos or Counter Intelligence on them. Guess it makes the long range weapons and mines sensible, although I doubt people will really pay for the MSR.
     
  2. Warhydra

    Warhydra Well-Known Member

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    They were all deployed to Svarlaheima for reasons. Judging by how harsh their training is, there probably arent that many Dao Feis.
    Judging by their looks, both Daoying and Pirate are probably 1W+NWI HI units.
    Though, Daoying could have REM consider how much it resembles the Hollowman. (Those weird looking alien legs)
     
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  3. ObviousGray

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    I cant blame on certainty. Ok then.

    Prepare for it. I can't spoil anymore!
     
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    SKOZZOKONZ Well-Known Member

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    Why would it not be correct and why would it be pointless to reverse engineer? Would possibly coming to the conclusion that the zhencha would have been better and cheaper as a MI not be relevant especially considering its intended role? Most likely all the things the zhencha does well could be done better by a yadu style MI.

    Are you dense? People here are not dumpstering the zhencha over this, and besides at this stage we don't really have a choice in the sectorial. Just like uprising this is people questioning CBs choices with regard to how it affects yu jing and the reading behind things that don't make much sense.
    And like uprising there's people in here doing the same shit as during uprising.
     
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    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    Coming to that conclusion won't change the unit, nor how it fits within YJ or IA, so yes, it would be pointless.
     
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    Wonder if the shock troops will be big beefy CC guys.
     
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  7. SKOZZOKONZ

    SKOZZOKONZ Well-Known Member

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    The point is to bring attention to the issue with the hope of either an explanation or a change in the future. You think the crane and pheasant would be where they are now if no one said anything?
     
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    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    CB doesn't need to explain everything they do.

    Probably, yes. CB has their finger on the pulse of the game much more than you probably think.
     
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    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    @SKOZZOKONZ also, they've likely already considered that (making it MI instead) and probably have a reason for not doing it. We still haven't seen a lot of IA and there very well could be some other skill/ability that benefits HI (akin to something like fairy dust).
     
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    They better not.
     
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    Warhydra Well-Known Member

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    They look to be about as well armored as Liu Xing (Even less actually, the abdomen plate seem to be missing) , but I could be be wrong.
     
  12. Durandal

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    Congrats, each time we complain CB has seen fit to remove one more wound! It is now 0W+NWI!

    Complain again and it will come on to the field DEAD.

    You have been warned!

    To be fair, the Liu Xing looks like it is better armoured than the Zuyong and many other true HI, so I don't think we'll be able to tell much by visuals alone.
     
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  13. SKOZZOKONZ

    SKOZZOKONZ Well-Known Member

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    No they don't but we can always hope for them to do better. Uprising showed us cb will use whatever data justify whatever they want.

    I doubt it, a bunch of leadership and order modifier is more likely but that does nothing to help the zhencha not eat shit to a mine.
     
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    banthafodder Well-Known Member

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    I can't say I enjoy that kind of schadenfreude directed to my fellow community members.

    Let's be real, the vast majority of bad gut reactions is because these HIINOs were the first thing we see out of this much hyped sectorial.

    Its worth reiterating if the Zhencha was maybe a few profiles down, it probably would have been overlooked. Being the first HI to outright die to a mine would have been taken with a shrug. We'd still use it, regardless of our feelings because it's the only game in town.

    Instead it's front and center where it has to carry the weight of all those expectations.

    People aren't harping on it just because it's a first edition Pheasant dumpster fire (which it isn't). It's because we are afraid that's all CB has in the tank, that we're going to be held left holding the bag ala N2 ISS.

    I hope i can be forgiven for being skittish since CB said +$250 of my Yu Jing Troops cannot play with their friends anymore.

    Not leading with profiles that are transformational for both Vanilla and sectoral ala Hecklers, Kriza, and Helot Militia, does little to assuage that fear. Is all we have to look forward to Paintrains and 1w NWI HI?

    As far as i can tell, the Daofei is hitting a lot of break points where marginal costs to up an attribute ate really kicking in.

    It's also worth pointing out multirifles are still pretty expensive at 3-4 points more than a combi and just 2 points away from a spitfire. That said, it's super illustrative that the BS FO Zhencha is in the same cost category as a baseline HI.
     
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    New Undead faction confirmed! :D
     
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    Hmm, a literal Taoist sorcerer and literal Kuang Shi? Yeah, sure, conjuring the walking dead is still less evil than the ISS. :p
     
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    Warhydra Well-Known Member

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    A unit that start with 0W with NWI and Prothean would be pretty interesting too.
     
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  18. SKOZZOKONZ

    SKOZZOKONZ Well-Known Member

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    Is it shock immune tho?
     
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  19. Warhydra

    Warhydra Well-Known Member

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    Once it gains 2 wounds yes.
     
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    Only because the Daofei specialist is the AHD. If there was a Specialist Operative or FO profile like there is on the Zhencha, that extra hacking vulnerability would not be true.

    Again, I was expecting the Zhencha to be lighter than the Daofei!! I mean, hell my literal first comment when the Zhencha dossier was posted was:
    I was not expecting something not even Shock Immune, when even Ariadnan 150-years-out-of-date 1W HI is all Shock Immune.

    Let me say that again: The Zhencha is the very first HI that is not Shock Immune. Even Ariadnan HI is shock immune.
     
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