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Invincible Army post mortem

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Triumph, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. Brother Smoke

    Brother Smoke Bureau Trimurti Representative

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    That's pretty much why I feel this is so strong. Sure you can drop templates on sniper towered link teams, but you have to at least maneuver them into position. This guy literally just decides and rolls. If it doesn't stick around it will change, but as of right now this is scary.

    See, I understand that, but I also feel like there will be plenty of chances where just the explosion will be more than enough to make this guy's points back. I also don't believe it's realistic that people will have repeater coverage that good all the time. Ariadna, Tohaa, Starco, just to name a few are probably not going to do well against this guy at all

    It hasn't been a problem so far for them. I'm far from top in my meta, but the really good ones consistently place in national tourneys, and none of them use anything you listed
     
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  2. ambisinister

    ambisinister Broken Zoetrope

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    Whether or not 6th sense triggers is going to depend on whether or not Explode is considered an attack. if it happens after the order is resolved, like how explode lvl1 works, then that's not actually an attack.
     
  3. Ten Thousand Arrows

    Ten Thousand Arrows Imperial Sage

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    How patronising. You're completely ignoring my point; a lot of people upset with a company and their product will hurt sales of said product. I don't expect any reason from you though, this is just for posterity.
     
  4. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    unless of course they have sixth sense
     
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  5. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    To delay against a trooper that's not even on the table yet?
     
  6. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    is there a reason they can't?
     
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  7. Bobblehead

    Bobblehead Well-Known Member

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    Having 1W+NWI+Bioimmunity is preferable to just having 2W if you intend to be using it in or near your opponents deployment zone. Its better to know that the model just dies when it takes that second wound instead of just going unconscious and maybe giving your opponent a free VP because they had on of the five classifieds that you can complete on unconscious model.

    Thats why you always activate dogged on Nagas when they go on the offensive.

    Its better to know your not going to give away an easy VP by doing something than gambling on it.

    That and as an added bonus you also know that you can replace it in the combat group when it goes down so you can factor that in when the ramboing comes to an end.

    And if you dont bring a doctor. What does it matter if it has 2W or 1W+NWI+Bioimmunity? And are you really going to move a doctor al the way over there to bring it back? Most likely not.
     
  8. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    I really disagree. What would make him more workable imo would be to lose Hackable, and maybe as a tradeoff drop Bioimmunity down to Shock Immunity. When I play Onyx I'll frequently field an R-Drone, 2 M-Drones, and 2 Ikadrons - it's gonna be hard dropping somewhere not in a hacking area on that one.



    And some of the people in my meta have won national tournaments, and they typically use plenty of repeaters when in a faction that has them, because repeater platforms tend to be cheap (for other reasons).
     
  9. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    You can only delay against enemies in your ZoC
     
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  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    From Sixth Sense:
    • In the Reactive Turn, Sixth Sense L1 allows its user to delay his ARO declaration until after the declaration of the second Short Skill of the enemy inside his Zone of Control.
    Not only won't the Liu Xing not be on the table (and thus not in the Zone of Control) until after the PH roll has been resolved, but the Liu Xing lands using an Entire Order skill, so there won't be a "second short skill" to delay until after.
     
  11. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Also your hacking area, though. Ask @ijw .
     
  12. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    that's true, but I think this was in the context of him dropping the template on your hacker/linkteam.
    I suppose it all depends on the timing of the template
     
  13. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    No, I'm not. They're not entitled to your money or your patronage, just like you're not entitled to any special treatment from them. Again, they'll do what they think is best, and if that works for you, then you buy it. If not, you don't. And if you feel aggrieved enough to disparage their product, then you do. Doesn't mean your grievance is based in reality or that they're obliged to do anything differently to appease you.
     
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  14. Joametz

    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    Sorry but how is it bonkers for going off at the end of the order? I don’t quite understand.
     
  15. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Great points! A bit more to the positive. but I also think of it as them needing to use more orders to put him down if it's actual 2 wounds. All in all it's not bad for the LX not good for the Zhencha. Im hoping that there's a typo and he has Shock immunity.

    One of the things that’s intensely irritating me :persevere: too is the adding of complexity and MORE rules! They need to make it simpler! Not keep loading it on! Instead of just doing 2 W they give them 1W+NWI+ one guy with Bioimmuity and one not? It’s getting to be too much! And this is a guy that likes the complexity of Infinity! Don’t make it more complex to give something flavor!
     
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  16. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    you don't even have the option to dodge it if they drop behind you.

    TBH, id be super surprised if they did it like this
     
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  17. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    Which means I could land next to a camo (or even impersonation!) marker and have the Explode go off indiscriminately? Possibly even against civilians, if there's no "killing a civvie loses the mission" clause?
     
  18. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Hasn't that been fixed universally through FAQ?
     
  19. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Talking to someone else they brought up something I was thinking. Maybe these units have to be HI because another IA unit brings something which benefits HI specifically. Like the control unit might have board wide, or unit specific buffs for HI.

    Explode Lx will hopefully be well written so the interaction is clear. Given ITS X AD at the moment, placing the template won't be very hard for at least the next 9 months.
     
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  20. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    In N2 you could kill Impersonators this way with the Caskuda. If they keep *that* in I take everything back.
     
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